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E72 | The O In The OCC And The Bulls Agree
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Welcome And The OCC Band-Aid
Casey KozaThank you for joining us for this episode of the Hobby Jogger. I am the co-host, Casey Coza, once again joined by my co-host, Mr. Rob Myers. Rob, how are we doing?
SPEAKER_00Doing well. Looking forward to uh peeling the band-aid off. The OCC band-aid. The pain is still there.
Casey KozaYeah, it's still a little bit raw. You know, there's still some physical pain, uh, a lot of mental pain. Still slightly hung over from the trip altogether. So yeah, yeah, it's gonna be good to to rip that band-aid off. Um, and uh, you know, talk about the uh good parts of the OCC and the bad parts of the OCC. Uh joining us, we have uh two of our fellow adventurers. We have Mr. David Moore back with us. David, how are you doing?
SPEAKER_02Doing well, yeah, happy to be here with you guys. Excited to talk all things OCC.
Casey KozaHeck yeah. We are going to be discussing the OCC here, and we're also uh joined by our good friend back for his second straight year of OCC talk, Mr. Jason Cox. Jason, how you doing?
SPEAKER_01I am also doing well. Good evening, gentlemen.
Casey KozaGood evening to you, and yeah, yeah. So we we all went out to uh UTMB's OCC. Uh, one thing I'd like to point out for this conversation, we're going to uh you know, we're gonna talk about the race of OCC, not necessarily the shitty organization of UTMB and how it's the Walmart of Ultrarunning, but we're gonna stick to an awesome event, and truly is an awesome event, all of the UTMB finals races. So no hard feelings there for UTMB. But uh the first hot take, not two minutes in. Well, they are the Walmart of Ultra Running. I I think it's fair of me to point that out, but the you know, this the race does stand on its own. It is an epic ultra race, um, awesome mountain race for sure, and that cannot be taken away from it, um, all things considered.
What OCC Is And How You Enter
Casey KozaBut uh yeah, gentlemen, we didn't didn't uh fare too well out there at the OCC. Uh between the four of us that are on this show, we had one finisher. Um, so we'll devote most of the show to David in his finishing of the race, uh, since he is the only one that managed to go past uh uh Triant, uh Triant, Switzerland, one of the the stops along the way. So uh uh David, why don't why don't you kick us off with a part of the course that we miss at least? Um but let's go back to the beginning uh and just start from the top here. The transportation to the race, a little bit interesting. Uh glad I couldn't see any of it because it was dark, but uh and we'll go around the group here. David, how did how did you feel about that? How did you survive the bus ride from hell?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I you know, I didn't I didn't mind the transportation. I even uh maybe if we could even back up like like one step, just for those who haven't um you know looked deeply into OCC or what it is, you know, OCC is part of the UTMB, I guess it's ultra world championships, which there's there's three main races: the OCC, which is the 50k category, or in this case it was a 60k race, the the CCC, which is a 100k race, and then the 100-mile uh ultra trail to Mont Blanc, which goes uh entirely around circumnavigates Mont Blanc. So for for our particular race was was entered as uh as a lottery style. We were I guess depends when you ask me, lucky enough to be accepted in. When I when I first got the news, it was like uh you know, not thinking we would be accepted in the lottery. Um, you know, it's like, oh no, what have we done? Now we now we really have to do this next year. Um, and it starts in well, it starts in Orsayer and finishes in Chamony and France. So certainly some work just coordinating, you know, training aside, but uh getting prepared for the race, traveling over to Europe, um will limit our thoughts and comments, I think, on the UTMB process of registration and travel, and followed some you know guidelines that they had laid out uh for extra lottery entry. One being you can't arrive in Chamony with with a car, you had to take public transportation in, which was fine. But the you know, some additional rules on the on the flights and particularly difficult for those of us traveling from the states and and um you know states that aren't near major markets with with direct flights into into Europe.
Casey KozaBut um not that we're complaining about any of that, David.
SPEAKER_02We're not that we're complaining about any of that. We're not gonna so they they uh it was definitely tough. I mean, just talking on that lead up that that there were some things with UTMB that that did make it feel like the Walmart of racing, right? I sent a message to try and ask, like, hey, can I fly? The the rule was that you were not allowed to take a flight that had a leg of the flight less than two hours of travel time. So coming out of northeast of Ohio, it was like, okay, Cleveland doesn't have direct flights to Europe. I can transfer through New York or through Atlanta, but those are an hour and a half transfer flights, but before I fly, so you know, sent a question to UTMB. Didn't hear anything back. So it ended up seeing seeming somewhat counterproductive that we had to fly as as north as we did through Akivik and then over across into Europe. And and look, I'm all all for the no cars in town. I I know Chamonix takes a lot of traffic, and it's a tough thing you know for them to coordinate for for a small mountain town, having that many fewer cars in town, fantastic. Um, have having these flight rules, you know, were a little bit difficult. That would be my advice as a participant traveling from the states is you know, maybe maybe rethink that one. And and if it's uh less than one hour or two hour you know, transfer once you get to Europe, fine. But um, but I digress. So so let back to the the the question at hand that the shuttle ride, I everything
Travel Rules And UTMB Friction
SPEAKER_02in the race, you know, I I thought was fantastic for an event that large, you know, just starting at the shuttle. It was an early start. I think I was on the 515 shuttle, maybe a little bit earlier than the rest of the group, but um, it wasn't bad. There were there were nice buses we got on. We got our our driver somehow made made a wrong turn and got lost, but that was a quick detour and and made it back to the start line and uh made some friends along the way on the bus and got to share some stories and you know talk to some folks on just the anticipation at this point. You're a couple hours before race start. So um yeah, but bus ride for me was was fairly uneventful and and um I thought well organized and and well executed.
Casey KozaYeah, I I I I would have to agree with that. Like it was the line moved very quickly, and and I get you can't drive, no one could take cars into um, and I'm gonna mispronounce the name, I believe you pronounced it correct, Osiris. Um too small of a town. Like it's a tiny little town in Switzerland. So I 100% understand the buses have to do it. Makes perfect sense. To me, I just got bar I just got bus sick like a nine-year-old. So that was the only qualm I had with it. But we'll we'll go to Jason's take. Because I know Rob and I at least have a I don't won't say a funny story, but an interesting story with the with the bus ride. Jason, how was how was your bus ride to Osiris?
SPEAKER_01So I'll I'll start by saying that uh David's actually absolutely correct. The the logistics of it all was quite quite impressive how well they executed on it. That that was a very well-executed um uh day as far as getting that many people to a single location uh with no problems. Um that was that was great. Um, as far as how it went, we so uh that's going through the mountains, like you said earlier, thank goodness you couldn't see it, right? Because I feel like had I been able to see where we were going, it might have made it worse. Um, I got actually really uh the motion sickness really kind of set in um coming down the mountain into the the O of the OCC, uh, since none of us can you know pronounce it correctly. So the O of the OCC. Uh going down there and getting um getting to it. Uh yeah, I got really motion sick. It was uh it was it was a little bit uh touch and go there for a minute. So uh we fortunately though, um I did not actually get sick uh and uh arrived on time. Um and yeah, so the bus is the bus is not ideal. Getting I also actually to back up a little bit, I also had the same uh experience where um you know being in uh the south, uh we are we we are regional, we have a lot of regional airports around us, but the hubs are all probably within about an hour to an hour and a half uh flight. And um, yeah, so it we did not all we also did not fit within that that two hour uh limit that they had set. So that was a bit of a challenge getting over there. Um it probably cost us more money, um, but I don't know that it was any um uh I don't know that it cost us any more time. Uh, but uh but yeah, so all in all, it was uh it was great to get there. Um and uh it was a good event. And the the logistics, like I said, were quite impressive getting all those people into a single small town in Switzerland. Uh so that was good.
Casey KozaYeah, yeah, the logistics were impressive for sure. You can't knock them for that. Um yeah, to get that many people from one mountain town to another, very impressive. Uh, and and obviously I knew going in it was gonna be a bus ride. It was gonna be tough on my stomach, like, and it was like your switchback mountain roads. Very glad it was pitch black. I'm glad actually now glad that we went a lot earlier in the morning than we thought we needed to, like it was what, 5 15 for a 8 a.m. start, I think, maybe. Uh sounds about right. And the research a little lacking here on this show.
SPEAKER_00No, you got it. You got it. I remember waking up at 3 30
Bus Ride Logistics And Motion Sickness
SPEAKER_00in the morning. So yeah, yeah.
Casey KozaSo glad, glad we went in the dark for sure. Um, Rob and I uh took a bus and uh a gentleman, I we didn't find out he seemed okay when we got off, but had a had a medical episode on the bus. Um his feet were sticking up in the air. I don't I Rob, you think we we we assumed he was nauseous and vomiting, I I think, correct?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's a safe assumption. I mean, it looked like he was getting his diaper changed, but I didn't see a diaper. But it was that uh that position.
Casey KozaYeah, the doctor went up front, checked on the man, everything was okay. So good to go. Yeah, we stopped probably over some cliff um on some mountain town. So uh yeah, but again, back to the logistics of it. Yeah, I hats off to UTMB for handling the logistics of getting that many people out to the O in the OCC. So yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01That might be the that might be the last compliment.
SPEAKER_00I think that's gonna catch on. The O in the OCC. We'll be on t-shirts next year.
Casey KozaYeah, yeah, we should. Yeah, t-shirts. Um, but yeah, moving on to the start of the race, I thought uh, you know, I plenty of places to pee. Uh I learned what a new French Portageon is, uh, or I guess Swiss Swiss Portageon since we were in Switzerland. Um it's a walk up, and and I'll attach a picture to the uh Instagram post because I believe I took a picture of it. Uh it's just a walk-up. I I don't know how to say this without us getting edited out. Um but you stick in a hole, right? And it's a big blue thing, and you're just kind of standing out there in the open peeing, like around a lot of people with your in just like a hole. It was pretty interesting to see. But yeah, they had a few of those, a bunch of portage on. So I I I do give them also credit for for the pre-ray setup. What do you guys think?
SPEAKER_00Well, they call that decent exposure here in the States. So let's be uh transparent. The basic put on a list for it, but you get put on a website that uh let's just say can't you can't ever live close to a school again. Yes, for sure.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I would say the first time I saw that, I actually thought it was a wash station where people were like washing their hands. That's what I thought. Yeah, and that that's not what they were doing.
Casey KozaTurns out weren't washing the hands.
SPEAKER_01Nope.
Casey KozaCompletely different. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I I thought the pre-race, the pre-race vibe was good. They the mayor of the O in the OCC uh gave a few talks and you know, got the crowd into it, I guess. Uh, but yeah, I thought the pre-race was good. Thought uh I didn't, you know, nothing more they could have done, nothing less, I don't think. So pretty pretty good. What do you how do you guys feel?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I agree. I it was a um it was staged well. So they they did start in four different waves, and I think it it may have been not sure what it was. I I think it was like a 715 or 730 for for what they call it Corral One, which had I I mean this is the the world championships of of mountain running in the 50k division. So the the start line had no lack of star power for for those who follow the you know trail running scene. Uh, you know, they had announcements and the the folks came in, so that that wave one went off first, and then they had waves two, two, three, and four. I I think those are essentially based on the UTMB. What
Start Line Setup Plus Wave Problems
SPEAKER_02it, you know, if you know guys want to know what that number is, the UTMB ranking or or whatever it may be. So it it all seemed maybe it's the index? Yeah, the index, yeah. UTMB index. So I mean they had the corrals well labeled and and um yeah, got people where where they needed to be, plenty plenty of space for for the staging and everything else. So I thought logistics at the start line were um right on point.
Casey KozaRob Jason, any uh additional notes on the start line?
SPEAKER_01Uh the uh yeah, I'd say I would I would also uh agree with what David said. I I wonder how everyone feels about um the waves. So I thought the I mean you when you have elites running with you know uh amateurs and and the hobby jockers, you have to you do have to have waves. So I do understand that. But um I you know the the amount of time that passed between wave one and wave four um seemed like a lot. Uh so yeah, I I don't know. I just question if that if there's not a better way. I don't know that I have a better answer to that, but um wonder what everyone thinks about that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I I I definitely saw some drawbacks. I mean, just the way they did it, so it was what 45 minutes or an hour back when wave four started, and and they have you know cutoff times along the course, and I'm sure we'll get to this, but you know, for anybody starting in wave three or in wave four, the those cutoff times are static at the aid station. So if if you're in wave one and they they didn't closely enforce it, and not that I'm recommending to do this, but if you know if someone were to start in wave one, it was maybe you know slotted for wave three or wave four, it it gives them that much extra time, you know, 20 a half hour or 45 minutes at these aid stations that that have static cutoffs. So that that part, I mean, I get it, you have to get your faster folks out front. There's a lot of single track trail. Um, those front those folks in the front are are there to you know, they have careers in in this sport and they're out to run and they have to be the first folks off, but it it it definitely made it tough, you know, having uh an hour uh I guess you know, called an hour penalty against the cutoff time from from the start line.
Casey KozaYeah, I I agree. I certainly get the the waves. Uh wasn't strictly enforced, so you know someone certainly could have jumped in higher, you know, wave from four to two. Um I I get it. Yeah, you want the elites out there on the front. I I don't think you need that much time in between though, because certainly my wave, I was in wave two. We're not gonna catch the elite wave, or we shouldn't, right? Like they can go, you can wait a few minutes and then let us go. We're we we shouldn't be in any danger of catching them. Um so I would have liked to see them run them off a little bit quicker, give people a little bit more time to the cutoff, since it is a pretty tough course, as we'll get into.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, we'll we'll get into it later in the podcast. But I mean the slowest people had the least amount of time to get to the aid stations, right? You know, let's sum it up. Doesn't make any sense.
Casey KozaYeah, yeah. And I I you know I get aid stations, like you said, David, they're static. Um, and uh probably something they should change. Um will they take the feedback? Probably not. Uh, you know, uh but we'll see. But we'll get into the the as we get to the front. But um starting off in in Osiris, uh, great atmosphere. Uh run down through a little town of Osiris and
Small-Town Hype And Kid High Fives
Casey Kozacome back up. Ton of school kids. I I guess they let all the kids out of school that day to come cheer on the runners and high five us. But that was uh I thought that was pretty sweet and uh you know a pretty cool feeling to get a high five from a bunch of second graders.
SPEAKER_00So that was awesome. That's probably the best part to be honest. Looking back, it's just so cool to have everyone out there and they treat it like like a holiday, and it's like a major event.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it was a really cool thing. I mean I mean, you're and this is a Thursday morning, this isn't a a weekend race. The OCC's on a Thursday morning, and you're you know, starting folks from 7 to 815 or something like that. And yeah, it must have been a day off of school. I mean, it's not a large town. They brought, I don't know, 2,500 people down. 2,000 people started the race approximately there. So um yeah, it was cool. I'm sure it's big for for their town and a meaningful thing. And as Casey said, the mayor came out and said some words and got to yeah, got to get some high fives. I mean, he even you know that that first two miles of the race was just incredible. They had the kids spread out. I I think it looked like it was by age, and every you know, quarter mile along the first couple miles, he it was it was really cool to have a little cheering section there right from the start.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I agree. That's uh that is one of the the the best parts about it. We get to get out and um you know see some of the locals, uh, the kids cheering you on. Um, not not just kids either. They had people like actual residents there uh with these giant cowbells, and you know, they're uh you're saying, Ollie all, you know, get out, go, go, go. So it was uh but the atmosphere, you cannot you cannot understate how great the atmosphere there is and how well um attended, you know, people come out to see you, to see the events and to cheer you on, and it's really great.
Casey KozaYeah, yeah, the atmosphere is is not to be understated of uh of just how awesome it is. I mean, you know, top atmosphere of any race I have participated in for sure, without a doubt. So uh yeah, again, just shouldn't be understated and definitely a reason to go back and run the race, uh, without a doubt. So uh it does have that going for it. But moving on to the course, course pretty tough. Um, you know, you you start out on a side race and you make a pretty large climb up to Champe Loch, where it does get to spread out a little bit. Uh, you're on some roads, uh, pretty wide trails. I think at the top we got into single trail. Uh I I could be wrong, but uh you start out at um a little under 3,000 feet of L in elevation. Um and you climb up uh the first aid station Champe Loch is around 4,900 feet um of elevation. So quite a steep climb. Uh it doesn't look that steep on the uh course elevation map. Turns out it it is pretty big. Um do you guys have any trouble with that? It was warm too. I should note that it was, I think, unseasonably warm for them. Um wasn't as warm as Jason's used to in the southeast and and Rob in the south, and David and I in Ohio. So yeah, I thought it was great. Yeah, the weather was wonderful. Yeah, people were complaining and dying. I was like, Oh, this is actually uh it was you know 80 87 degrees and 100% humidity when I left Ohio. So this is all right by me. Uh how do you guys feel about the first part of the course?
SPEAKER_01Well, I'm not sure if we should we start we should we start with David since he actually finished, or we go we go into I I mean I can go for since I'm talking about David's gonna basically have a monologue from Triant on. Yeah, I have a lot to say after you go.
Casey KozaWe're kind of we're gonna kind of brush past David for this first half.
SPEAKER_01That actually makes sense. Yeah, good, good, good. Um, yeah, so the from the start of the race till about 10 miles for me, it was great. The the weather was perfect. I I actually to you know, you kind of alluded to this living in the south. Um, I you know, I love the heat. Uh it's it's where it's where I'm comfortable, it's where I train. And that didn't really have an effect um on me. I thought I thought the weather was perfect. Um and uh and yeah, so to your point, and as far as the difficulty running, um, I actually had I was I was cooking, uh for me anyway, I was looking back at some of my stats, and I had about a 16-minute pace over the first nine to 10 miles, which was which was really great uh for me. So it was a as far as the weather goes, it was it was a perfect day, and I couldn't have asked for more.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I was I was very happy with the weather. Rob, I disagree with both of you 100%. Uh it was terrible right from the jump. Uh the elevation was bothering me like immediately. I think I went through at least two bottles uh before I even made it to the top of the first climb. Uh constantly stopping at every trough, taking off my hat, dumping it in the water. I mean, it was it was brutal, even though initially it wasn't completely. Exposed. There were some trees, and that helped, but man, early in the morning, temperature was perfect, but it just started climbing right after they said go. So it was hot.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I'm with Rob. I mean, it it's a mountain race from the start. You start through the town and then you kind of do some switchbacks up some, you know, roads of the of the village, and then I mean you're you're you're up a big climb right off the start of I think just under 2,000 feet, and then 10 miles in, you hit the 2,000 feet, you come down a little bit, and then you're right back up another one. You're 4,500 feet over the first 10 miles, which is uh substantial amount of climbing, and and there's not much reprieve from it. It's it's uh it's just up the mountains from the get-go.
SPEAKER_00I will say that first climb was beautiful though. I mean, what was that first little town? I don't even know if it was a town, it seemed like a tiny village kind of leveled out for a little bit. Yes. And then yeah, yeah, going downhill. That first downhill was actually a lot of fun. You could really rip
Early Climbs Heat And Trouble Signs
SPEAKER_00going down, so it wasn't too technical at that point.
Casey KozaYeah, it was about a two-mile downhill. Uh then you just uh you get to the first checkpoint, which well, I guess you have the eight station Champaglach, and then you get to a the first checkpoint, which you would have no idea was a checkpoint. It's just two people sitting on a basically a Walmart folding chair at it's called Plan Day IU. Uh, I'm not sure what that means, but that's before you go up uh the first big climb. Well, I guess it's a second climb, but first real big mountain that you go up and over to get to Triant. Uh so yeah, there was just like two people sitting there in folding chairs, uh, and that was the a cutoff timing mat, I guess, right?
SPEAKER_01Yes, it was I I saw that there was a timing mat there, and I think behind behind their folding chairs, they actually had a trough with uh running water uh to fill your your bladders and your flasks.
Casey KozaOh, okay. Did not did not know that, but I was still in really good shape by then. Uh so yeah, did not stop. Uh went straight through there. But yeah, it was kind of interesting. I was I don't know how if you needed a DNF there, if there was a ride from there, but yeah, the first cutoff was there at 11:30. So I I assume that they had some sort of transportation.
SPEAKER_01Uh was this was this the last one before Triant?
Casey KozaUm, no, no. This is at the bottom of the climb. Um, going up Triant, I just there was just the cowfields that you went through that were uh, I guess refuges um that were timing as well. But that was the right before we started to ascend up the second big climb. Um, it was like on a road. You were on that road. Remember? Maybe not. Yeah, thank you. Yeah. All right. Yep. So we we we get through the first checkpoint up now. We start going up a bigger mountain than the first one. The first one, there was a couple steep spots, but this is straight up. Um, I'm gonna say looking at this, about 3.3 miles of a climb, which for us here in Ohio does not exist. I don't think it exists anywhere within the state of South Carolina uh or Tennessee, probably. So a little bit tougher for us, and it is starting to heat up. It is getting warm. A lot of these sections were pretty exposed. Um I saw a lot of people start to have issues here. Uh what what did you guys see?
SPEAKER_00Same thing. There were a lot of people that were were sitting, taking long breaks on that climb. I know. I think at this point, it's been several hours since I was able to keep any food down. I'd throwing up at least two or three gels. I mean, it was just brutal. The heat I was filtering water every time I saw the stream. By the time I made it to the top of that climb, I went through nine or ten bottles of water. I mean, it was it was the worst I'd ever felt in any race at that point. I mean, just so exposed the atmosphere, just felt thin. The elevation was terrible. Um yeah, so it felt terrible, but it was beautiful. And then you look to your right, you're like, wow, never seen anything like that before. Just looking at the valley. Absolutely gorgeous.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it was it was beautiful. I I had the I think I had the same experience um in that I was uh that's I think that's about when the wheels started to fall off. Like I had I had some stomach issues, and that's when it that's where it really started to um to to manifest. And what's funny is I actually sat on a rock to try to compose myself. And uh there were a bunch of if this is the place I'm thinking about, there were a bunch of steer like bulls with giant horns just kind of roaming around, and um somebody behind me was making a commotion, and they were based, they were essentially yelling at me, telling like trying to uh alert me that there was a a giant bull um or cow coming towards me, and I darn near got uh run over by it. So that was that was quite funny.
SPEAKER_02Um I I I saw a lot of that as well. I saw when I came through, there were two bulls, and there's a water line, so there's a little spigot, and people are going through, and uh yeah, I saw two two bulls locked horns and then one got horned up under the other's like huge leather collar, and and these things are like moving around quickly, and you have 60 runners, and it you know, I don't know if funny is the right word because it truly was dangerous when you have this whole line of runners waiting for a water station, and yeah, I I don't know, it had to be 2,500 3,000 pounds of two bulls locked together, just coming very quickly at this crowd of people, and it just saw everybody you know on tired legs and been running for 10 miles up a mountain just dispersed quickly. It was like, oh wow, like we're we're really out here. Like there's there's no safety crew here to stop a bull from running me over.
Casey KozaYeah, you're not in a petting zoo, that's for sure.
Bulls Water Troughs And The Cow Barn
SPEAKER_01And those bulls don't care, they'll they'll they'll run right over you.
Casey KozaYep, they have they have no qualms about that. So, yeah, yeah, it's very cool. Um, that's about where my day ended. I was uh climbing up, uh, something to knee, you know, gave way, and uh, you know, right around looking at the map here, um, probably right around, I'm gonna say mile nine and a half-ish, not between nine and nine and a half, somewhere in that range. Um, I I had no escape other than to walk the about six miles to Triant. Um, so it was not an exciting experience. Uh felt actually okay walking up, but coming down was just uh a pretty big nightmare. I did end up passing, however, um according to the UTMB OCC rankings, 158 people from Champay Loc to Legate, uh, which was on the downside of that. So I I I was feeling actually really good, unfortunately. Got injured, and that's the game. Um but no, like I was enjoying the heat, Rob. I you know, I feel bad for you, but I was really enjoying the heat, and I thought it felt great. And I had good time out there in the heat until just things, you know, knee fell apart and withdrew.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I'm not a warm weather runner, period. So just everything compounded on top of uh me not doing very well in the heat, no matter what.
Casey KozaYeah, makes sense with the heat for sure. I mean, that's I think a lot of people come underprepared for the heat for this race because it's a mountain race. And like Jason, you ran it last year and you were freezing. Like you it was rainy, cold, you had gloves on, couldn't get enough clothes on last year, right?
SPEAKER_01True, true, yeah. It was much different. And then once, you know, once the morning passed and then you know, you have wet clothes. Um well, I said that backwards. So the the morning passes, and then you start to heat up, right? And then you have wet clothes, and then it starts to cool down again, and that's when it starts. That's in last year, that's when it started to get a little a little rough because you're wet and cold, and that's never a good thing. But uh, but we did not have that problem this year.
Casey KozaYeah, definitely did not have that issue last year. I certainly didn't have that issue last year watching you. So uh yeah, a little bit little bit different set of circumstances for you this year, but yeah, you come down again, you go through another cow field. Um maybe uh the strangest uh aid station was it an aid station? I'm I'm still not sure what I walk through. Um, but it is at the uh top when you crest over. Uh it's called La Gate, La Gate G-I-E-T-E, uh, mile 11.7. You walk through what I believe to be a uh barn for cows, uh, very nice farmer there. Um, I didn't stop to talk to him, but there was water. Um, but probably one of the more interesting aid stations I've been through uh in in trail running. Did did either of you any any of you drink the water from the aid station?
SPEAKER_01That was another one of those troughs that I was mentioning earlier, yes. That was uh I went to go fill mine up, and the the gentleman who we think is may be a farmer um actually uh paused me because there was another guy because from what I understand, people tend to occasionally fill their flasks with the actual trough water, which if you've never uh if you've never won run one of these, you uh you don't want to do that because the locals will come by and they'll wash their face or their hair, or you know, animals might jump in it. Um the trough water is not something that you would want to, you know, fill your flasks with. So he kind of paused me and he was like he he guided me over towards the actual uh spigot um where it was just kind of trickling down. So um, yeah, that was interesting. Yeah, for sure.
Casey KozaIt was one of the most interesting aid stations I've ever seen.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's being kind. Yeah, when you walk in there, you can tell that uh there's been livestock in there just a minute ago.
Casey KozaYeah, last night there was definitely cows in it, for sure.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, yeah. They just sprayed the floor down this morning, but it was kind of them to do it. Uh, I did not drink the water though.
Casey KozaYeah, I was I was I had like uh half a bottle left, and I knew I had to walk was it leaving? I still had a 3.1 mile walk down the mountain, and I was just like, nah, I'm done. I can make it on this. I I don't think I can drink this water, and I did not drink the water, like Dave Matthews said, don't drink the water. David, did you drink the water?
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah, I filled up. Well, they had they had jugs, so I didn't scoop out of the trough. I knew better than to do that. I did see some people I think that that were trying to scoop out of the trough, but uh they had some plastic jugs, and it was kind of like dark in there, like the ceilings were really low. You had to duck to get through the door, and you you were definitely in some sort of livestock stable or feeding area or something, but um they did have some jugs full of water, so I yeah, I I uh I absolutely filled up both bottles.
Casey KozaWell, that's at least someone did. At least someone got some some water from the the cow stop. But yeah, it was very cool, something super interesting. And again, you're back out into another cow field uh where there's cows roaming. Got a couple of good pictures of the cows, uh, me and my cow friends out there. Uh, then you go a beautiful descent down into the mountain town of Triant, home of the Purple Church. Uh, but there's like a I guess I would, you know, we have false summits um when climbing. I guess I would call it a false bottom. Uh going down. You know, I come out, I just wanted to be done and get in the bus and go home. And you come out and you're just like in this field with all these people. And I was like, oh, this must be the aid station, uh, you know, where the bus is. And then nice person told me, oh no, you still have, you know, another mile straight down the mountain to get to Triant. This is just us hanging out up here on this cliff. Uh so I did have to then walk another about mile down to Triant, home of the pink church. Uh beautiful town.
SPEAKER_00Um, very is it pink, pink or purple, Casey? You said purple a minute ago. Is it I don't remember?
Casey KozaOh, did I say purple? Yeah. Uh it's pink, yeah. Pink. Uh yeah. Maybe I was looking at something purple. I don't know. I won't. Um, but yeah, so we go down
Triant Decisions Cutoffs And Confusion
Casey Kozain Triant. Uh, I had decided to call it quits there. Uh Jason, I believe you had already decided to call it quits uh before getting into Triant as well, correct? That's correct.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. The like I said, the wheels started to fall off. I was I was my stomach was not well. And uh during that lap that descent into Triant is when I uh made the call. I was like, this is just not happening today.
Casey KozaSo someday it's your day, someday it's not. Uh and David was of course fine and uh dandy at this point. So uh David, what did you think of the Triant aid station?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that fine and dandy may be an exaggeration. I mean, it it first 15 miles were were tough miles. Um, you know, I came in there, I didn't know the course incredibly well or what to expect. I knew that that it was a town and there was a cutoff there. Um it was a big station. I think that was maybe the first one that crew was able to to kind of stop and and see runners at. So it was good to see familiar faces. There was one extra familiar face that I I was bummed to see, which was Casey was there along with uh Annie and uh Jason's wife, Tracy. But it it was definitely good to see some friends to stop for a little while to get some water. I took a little bit of extra time there, tried to get some food down, um, filled bottles up and tried to get all the water in me I could. Um, and also at that point, I I had heard from uh uh Tracy had heard from Jason and that that uh he was likely gonna call it there as well. So I you know I was certainly bummed hearing that you know two two of the two two friends that had come out uh to run as well um had a tough time, or we're we're still out there having a tough time. But uh yeah, I think what my realization there after coming up and over those two very large initial climbs was I think it was you, Casey, that told me, okay, this is your biggest climb to come, which I I didn't know that the biggest climb was still to come. I thought the the hardest climbing was behind me. Um but yeah, it was uh a tough realization that that that the largest climb was still to come in in the race. And and already 15 miles in, I mean, it it it it took its toll just through that first first part of the race.
SPEAKER_00I think it's important to point out that you know this is where the aggressive cutoff at that aid station, as well as how we were, you know, a staggered start at the beginning. Um, and we were told different cutoff times throughout the race. Uh the fifth runner that was in our pack that's not on uh this call was quite disappointed because she would have made the cutoff just barely uh if we were told the correct information. But I think we missed the cutoff by 45 minutes, even though we thought we were close to it. Um I thought I was gonna miss it by like maybe five minutes. Um, but runner number five thought she had it and was quite disappointed by the the false information she was given earlier in the race. So there's some feedback right there.
Casey KozaYeah, yeah, definitely, definitely disappointed when they keep the uh or when they do that, especially if when, and I get it, they're volunteers. Like I'm not, you know, holding them accountable here. Uh, but there should be a race official at a race this size that, hey, you know, cutoffs are coming. Here's what time they are, so you have an idea. I know it is, you know, guess it's our responsibility to know them, but you forget things like that for sure. And there should be some sort of reminder to those that are chasing the cutoffs just how close you actually are to it.
SPEAKER_00That's no hate on the volunteers. I mean, they're volunteers, you know, they're taking their time and uh making some pretty gnarly climbs and just tensing themselves to get there to a lot of these aid stations. But at the same time, you know, put together a small card that has the aid station cutoff times, pass it out to the volunteers, a bare minimum, you know, because when you're out there running, you're not in the right state of mind to remember everything. There you go. I mean, let's be honest, you're a hot mess. I mean, the fact that you can stay on the trail and move forward is uh about the max that you can expect from someone out there. So knowing the cutoff times, very, very important.
Casey KozaYeah, yeah. Um, and and unfortunately, your day ended a triant with a cutoff. Uh, you know, hey, on to the next, right, Rob?
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah, it's the name of the game. What's next?
Casey KozaName of the game. Yeah. So uh Rob was cut. Uh Jason and I had called a quits. Um, and and I was really disappointed because this next section of the course is the part that I really wanted to see. Uh, because it did look awesome. Looked like a lot of fun, the back half of this, but now, David, uh, it's basically going to be a monologue the rest of the episode with you telling us about the rest of the race. Uh yeah you did have me there to tell you that
David’s Big Climb Out Of Triant
Casey Kozathis was the biggest climb of the day. I don't think I was incorrect with that, correct?
SPEAKER_02You are correct. It was the biggest climb of the day, and it uh starting at 15 miles in, it it certainly felt it as well. So you you start up out of Triant and you're running alongside I I guess what could be called a river. I think it was really still just glacial and snow melt from the top of the mountains. It's just this river rushing down, and you start on a kind of gentle road following that up. Absolutely beautiful views, just looking up at the glacier cap mountains straight ahead of you. But uh I don't know, maybe a mile in that changes to where it's not a more gradual, smooth road that's taking you up, and it it turns to single track, which is just a lot of switchbacks up a very, very steep climb. And at this point, we're you know midday, and you know, I intentionally went into the race. I I had started in wave three, Casey was ahead of me in wave two, and Rob and Jason um had both started uh 15 minutes behind in wave four. So, you know, my strategy was in wave three. I started at the very back, and I I had a goal of just finish and planned to take it as easy as I possibly could the the first 20 miles. So as I as I hit this starting point, I was you know at the very back of wave three. And I think where when I came through Trient, I was in uh 1660, 1660th place. Um I think about 200 fewer runners than 1660 even finished the race. So it it was absolute carnage up this climb. I mean, as you switchbacks, you're midday, no cloud cover at that point, the sun shining down, leaving Trient. Maybe it's I don't know, 80 degrees, a little bit higher to push an 85 even. Um, and I think a lot of folks were unprepared for this for in my training. Not not that I had a fantastic training block, but I did focus on a ton of time on feet and went over to Pennsylvania a few times and got actually as much climbing as I possibly could get, just up and down hills and tried to find terrain that was climbing and did it slow and did it with some some weight. And um, so I I I truthfully felt pretty good going up this. I was at a spot in the line where it wasn't moving crazy fast. You couldn't really pass if you wanted to. You could pick your points and try and pass a few runners at a time, but it was a lot of work across really choppy terrain, and you know, these switchbacks are kind of fall off the edge. So it it it was kind of where you were in line. That's that's where you were going up. And you know, up this climb, there were a lot of folks just sitting on the side of the trail, maybe found a nice rock in the shade for some of them and had looked defeated. And I don't know if they were giving up or just enjoying their time and planning to go again soon. And then there were some at the switchback ends just laying on their back in the sunshine, which was not the place to stop. But I as you're going up this, I think it was just kind of breaking people as they went because it was just relentless. I mean, it was just I don't know what it was, two, three miles of of climb and and very, very steep climb. Um, so it was a difficult spot. Again, my climbing, I felt reasonable. I I I guess I would rank better than some of my peers that were that were just pulling off the course and and um you know kind of taking a rest because there was no way off at this point. You you at some point had to keep moving again and get yourself probably another seven miles to the next aid station. You could you could realistically be extracted from the course and and drop. Um but yeah, it was a tough it was a tough part, but some of the most beautiful views, certainly.
Casey KozaAnd um yeah, it was uh it was as advertised. I I I do think that you're training, you know, going out to Laurel Highlands, I feel like that's a pretty good representation of the kind of course that the climbing from the climbing aspect out there. Uh very steep, very long, but it's about as good as we can get, do you do you think?
SPEAKER_02It is, yeah. And certainly the I I felt better throughout the entire race on the climbing. It it was really the the the biggest problems that I had were the downhills, and the downhills were still technical enough. after the mileage, you know, 20 miles in, where I just didn't feel very comfortable running. That I felt I'd hit a rock or go down or at risk of of falling. And um and also did you know after some time it just blew up my quads where I was having some cramping issues. And uh so the downhills I I would say I was you know catching some people passing some people and then a lot of the a lot of the downhills was was just um you know fighting to get down them and and not lose too much time in that. And and you know cold de bomb is the next checkpoint. I didn't do it I I didn't know where I was in Trient. I guess I didn't even pay attention. I thought I was going to be very comfortable in the time cutoff throughout this race and when you hit that three miles or whatever it is I mean you are going extremely slow up that so you you get to the top and then it kind of comes around the face of the mountain and it's a technical section. So where I thought okay at the top of this and I think Casey you had said okay once you're at the top you're gonna have some easier downhill running. And it's like okay I'm looking forward to that and then there was just a another stretch of a few miles that were around the face of this mountain that was still single track still very technical hard to pass people and it was there I had I had a uh gentleman behind me and um I think language may have been a little bit of a barrier but you know he had he had said and we're still in a single file line on single track and he says move and I'm like well okay you know that's kind of rude I'm not uh I'm not gonna move anywhere I'm right behind the person in front of me and then uh a little bit desperately he he says like move faster we're gonna get cut and then I was like oh okay and he says he ran in 2022 and 2023 and he got cut at cold debalm so you know I go aside and I let him through and I let him make his way up but at that point it was like okay I got to really start moving here you know if this guy's right the cut you know it could be an issue with cutoff time so move a little bit quicker as quickly as I can try and get around some people I saw a couple folks take take falls that you know I was behind and um you
Col De Balme Cutoff Anxiety
SPEAKER_02know just kind of kept moving as quickly as I could and I I got bad info same as Rob said I I got to Cold de Balm and I couldn't really find anybody that knew what the cutoff was I thought I may be close. I asked another runner they didn't know then they looked and they said oh it was just now you know we had seven minutes so at the time I thought okay I just made cold debalm seven minutes from cutoff it turns out I think I was I had another 15 I think I was 22 minutes but you know hearing that and cold de balm I think is I don't know somewhere around 20 miles with the next time cut at like mile 31. So now I it's like okay I got 10 miles to go and felt like I was really racing the clock at that point. But also was still you know was still feeling decent. So that's where the the race opened up to you know wider double track and some old roads and um was able to still move pretty well and gain some ground and and pass some folks um as we were going up the last of the elevation to to reach the the the summit of the course which was around it was around 7,000 feet.
Casey KozaYeah I believe that is the summit of the course uh up above Cole de Baum yeah it looks like it's right around well 7500 feet uh is which is pretty high up there gets a little bit thin a little bit tough to breathe so that's uh yeah it's it's it's that's pretty high up there and yeah I mean the more I think about it you know I'm volunteering at the Laurel Highlands Fall Classic here in a couple weeks I for sure will know what the cutoff time is right like hey guys you have six minutes like I you know and again I don't want to harp on the the volunteers but that's just you know kind of bad not for everyone at an aid station especially if there's a race official not to know what the cutoff time is um so I will make sure I do better uh when I am running an aid station here in a couple weeks and everyone will know the cutoff time uh yeah but sorry to hear that it was still persisting even up on cold to balm David and seems like people maybe weren't so sure of what was going on.
SPEAKER_02Yeah to be fair there there were I forget what they called them course guides or something like that.
Casey KozaThere were folks in more official t-shirts and one later on in the race did give me a time uh for a cutoff in in Argentier which was that next aid station uh 10 miles later um come to find out I'm not sure if what he told me was accurate or not I know I had texted the rest of the group you guys when when I was out there and and you know thinking okay I might not make this and I think you guys maybe said okay there's not a cutoff at Argentine but you have to be into shamani at the finish in a certain time but but anyway it was um you know I think there's some runner responsibility there as well um there's also conflicting information because I believe Rob like there was different maps said different things that we had found when looking at David because like the map I'm looking at right now says 2115 so 21 hours 15 minutes is the Argentea cutoff but I know we were looking at a map because we said we were that said hey there is no cutoff at Argentier so some definitely confusing points there maybe they can clean up for next year but uh yeah David you get to Argentier very lovely town uh out there in the French village gosh I hope it's French village of Argentier um didn't make you go up uh to La Flagier this year so on to the finish uh you're through Argentier yeah and and and I'll say you know all you know concerns of race organization and everything else is you know cutoff times and and those things I I mean you certainly what you go for at that peak of the the 7000 feet where you're you know past cold de balm and and heading to to Argentier I I mean just absolutely beautiful views where you're up on on top of there and it's kind of a knob you're certainly not at the peak elevation.
SPEAKER_02I mean the Alps you're looking around and you're probably looking at you know 10 000 11000 I think when we went to the the top uh casey what's the point that's up there that we visited by cable car uh we visited in the uh anguille du Midi yeah so so the aguil de Midi I think is 12,000 feet plus so I'm I'm you know on the peak of this 7,000 foot knob that's in the middle looking around and just surrounded by French and and
Summit Views Then Cramping Descent
SPEAKER_02Swiss Alps. I mean it it's it's difficult to even describe the beauty that you see there. It's almost like you're in the middle of a bowl and kind of up on this little peak and looking around and just seeing the little villages down in the in the valleys and the meadows and still the glaciers that are just covering these these peaks that are 10,000 11000 12000 feet um so really difficult to even describe but but for for any negatives we could possibly come up with just standing there at that point and looking around you know I've done 10 or so of these ultra races and and just absolutely nothing compares that I've seen out out west here you know up in Michigan down south where I've done these it it was just absolutely breathtaking views. And not just there but the whole course I mean you guys had seen it the first 15 miles just incredible views throughout but um but yeah from there had uh you know had some extra adrenaline going from from that point from Coldabon to Argentier and you know thinking I was really close on cut off and I I know I texted you guys and I was three miles out of Argentier three and a half and having some some really difficult uh times with just legs cramping at that point from 7,000 feet you're net downhill and net downhill quite a bit and it at this point the the quads are already screaming and and uh you know just every single step is is full weight down and technical underneath your feet so um there were some points in there i i did not think i was making it when i heard three three mile three and a half miles is what the the volunteer told me and i think i had about 45 minutes to get there is is what i thought and and everything had been super technical thankfully you got to the bottom of this switchbacks that were coming down the hill and it turned just absolutely smooth and flat on unlike an old road pathway through so i i was able to catch some time there and get into Argentier at this point it it was dark getting into Argentier fully dark and you know there were there there there were some low points in there and and thoughts of okay I might not make this and at the time that would be okay like I I had had enough and I was like all right I'm I'm done if I miss this cutoff there's that there's that doubt that always creeps in and it's like all right I'm I'm ready to throw the towel in but it was you know getting down and seeing that flatter terrain and getting into Argentea it's like okay and I had 30 minutes or so when I got to Argenteer 20 minutes but prior to the cutoff so you know I was I was comfortable at that point like okay all I have to do is keep moving forward and um and I can get through this. So from Argenteer it's it's a much easier finish than all the terrain that that uh you know you've just gone through and there's one last climb that's kind of up a little bit of the mountain adjacent to to Chamani and then you come down um essentially a road from from kind of the peak that you hit and that last climb feels like it goes a while. If you look at the map again and it's like okay this is just a tiny little climb at the end of this elevation profile but after that many miles you know it was still some steep climbing um still doing you know is anybody who's ever been up against a cutoff you're doing the runner math in your head like okay how many miles are really left here what's my pace have to be am I going to have room on the cutoff but um once you hit the top of that elevation and I saw the road was smooth coming down through I think that's where I realized like okay I'm I am gonna finish this when there was a lot of doubt a lot of doubts creeping in prior to that um but yeah then then you run down and you you hit the streets of Chamani and it's maybe a mile mile and a half but as soon as you get out on those streets there's you know this is at this point 11 o'clock at night um the elites have been done for I I don't know nine hours at this point but still just people filling the streets of Chamani cheering as soon as you make those couple last turns and and then um certainly seeing seeing you guys my friends at the finish line and being able to run through that and the lights and and still a lot of people there cheering
Argentière To Chamonix Finish Magic
SPEAKER_02and everything else it was um it was an incredible finish. You know and you know again late at night race is half an hour 20 minutes at this point from being over and still just the support that comes out in that town and how important this is to them as well to to be out there and and watching the last finishers of of this race it it was uh it was a special experience crossing that unlike you know any other ultra I've been in maybe there's like a race director and four people straggling around a couple of runners like limping around that have just finished but um more energy than I've ever seen in a in an ultra marathon finish that I've been in.
SPEAKER_01Yeah yeah that finish is something else we were glad we got to walk down there and uh you know experience it experience you coming across the finish line our good friend uh so yeah it was great to see uh you know someone have the full adventure of OCC and get to finish yeah I was I was so stoked I I was stoked for you and it was so great to see you coming down the uh the chute there and you you look great man you had so much energy and uh like you said it's really cool at these races that everybody sticks around and comes out and the energy from start to finish is just is great.
SPEAKER_02So congratulations David Yeah I appreciate it thanks Jason I know you uh we had talked a little round this time last year I know you got to across that line as as well and uh certainly hope that we make it back out there. I know Rob and Casey and uh our fifth runner have some unfinished business to attend to here. So hope to be able to come back out and join for that trip.
Casey KozaYeah yeah I you know I you know thought I was like I don't ever want to go back uh you know I did half the course that's good enough but yeah I I'd really like to to finish the course and and run that last half uh I did I I you know I felt really good and unfortunately things happened so yeah I I do think I now do want to go back which leads me on to my next point Rob you know do do do we have unfinished business there that we need to uh go chase the finish at OCC? 100% yes we're going back always good to hear Jason I know you've already finished so not as important to you uh but they they changed the course so now I gotta go back i it's a different course now they they seemingly change it like once a week for the month leading up to the thing so I yeah it's uh yeah crazy they were changing the CCC course uh like the morning of I feel I I saw could be wrong um one thing I would change is is the travel over there uh not necessarily the flights or how the convoluted way that UTMB makes me fly a little bit longer than I need to to try and save I don't know a couple CO2 points or whatever. But just maybe I would go over a few days earlier because the time change did I think kind of mess with me a little bit um where I was just a little bit you know tired run down I guess from all the travel maybe the eight va the eight whiskeys maybe cut those out of the that's what it is. You know certainly probably had something to do with it as well.
SPEAKER_00Was the Famagier living right or our our uh Airbnb was right next to the the Fromagier yeah yeah yeah the the brewery right below our Airbnb the uh shout out shaminix brewing company there uh right across from the hockey rink which was awesome um but yeah maybe that was the only thing I would change Rob would you change anything uh I would go out early 100% I think next time going straight to Chamani not you know hopping around all the different mountain towns and spending time traveling because no matter what when you're traveling even if you're just sitting on a train it does wear you out yeah so the next time I go it's straight to Chamani gonna go early and spend time on the trails get acclimated to the time zone uh keep the feet moving I think that would help.
Casey KozaYeah yeah going over early yeah that that was the only thing that really I think threw me off was the time the time change and the seven whiskies I probably had on the Iceland air flight uh probably didn't help my sleep for sure so yeah maybe take that a little bit more serious the sleep aspect it's not like I can catch up in a single night over there like I tried to so uh yeah that's probably it David would would would you change anything of your approach um yeah yeah the travel I mean I would agree it would have been nice to have a another day or two in front um now just for after the trip I mean I mean that was uh I don't know if I'd had too much time I mean I after the race in the couple days there was certainly some recovery time where you know the race is done you celebrate and then you know you made it all the way to Europe so we you know saw a couple different destinations and travel and saw Paris and London and um I think that would be tough to to do too much travel uh ahead but yeah another day maybe two to get there get acclimated get ready um would certainly be beneficial yeah one final thing I'll say just because we talk about UTMB and OCC so much on this podcast it's amazing.
SPEAKER_00There's a reason they call it the Super Bowl of trail running it it's absolutely beautiful. It's hard it's so cool to see a small town like Shamini fill
What We’d Change And Going Back
SPEAKER_00with people that just love this little niche sport that we have in the States you know we go out in the woods and you may see one or two other people that are actually running but you get to UTMB and the entire town is just buzzing around trail running. So it's worth it. The hype is real if you ever get a chance to go. Even if you're a spectator it's totally worth it it'll be one of the best vacations you ever take even if you're not a trail runner.
SPEAKER_02Yeah I I completely agree Robin is as much as we can be on on this podcast or folks can be critical of UTMB um I I mean this is an absolute premier event and and all of their events even here you know obviously step one to getting back to UTMB OCC is is we we we have to do another UTMB race wherever that is to get some stones to get back in the lottery.
Casey KozaBut um all all of their events are just well organized what well run in in my opinion and there's anytime you put 2000 people out on a course it there's going to be some things that you know are to be complained about or critical of but um yeah all in all it is just an absolutely incredibly run event um on some of the most beautiful terrain that I've ever seen or had the uh had the ability to to go out and run on yeah with with without a doubt also um mayor of Chamani probably the only mayor in in the history of mayors that wants less people in their town spending money so uh add that tidbit to the UTMB mess that is the organization but we've completely separated it right from the race the race awesome incredible views incredible time out there kids high fiving you as you start out uh off school so yeah the experience 10 out of 10 for the race for sure I mean I I don't think there's I I can't imagine anyone debating that right fully agree and then yeah the other half of it um but yeah so I I I appreciate you guys uh coming on um side note has anyone um looked at Camille Harris OnlyFans I've I have not I have not you know she's you know put me in one of her reels so that like kind of made me famous for a day so I just yeah we we we we do have to see for any uh anyone listening to the podcast Casey has now been challenged to uh to a uh wrestling match by Camille Harons so stay tuned for that that will be a David David please uh it is now Camille the artist formerly known as Camille Harren so dropped the last name now it's like Madonna Pele etc so he goes by one name uh friend of the show Camille trying to get her on I hope she comes on I'm actually a big CF or a Camille follower so I am hoping that Camille will come on and uh discuss all things ultra running and uh possibly OnlyFans I don't know we have you bought a new singlet yet I've not bought a new singlet yet uh uh you know I don't think I have one that fits anymore um for my wrestling days but you know I I think for that occasion I could I could wrestle up a singlet if I were to go one-on-one with Camille uh no holds barred she hasn't said yet um but we'll see if we can work out the details later
UTMB Hype Camille Talk And Closing
Casey Kozawe're we're talking about the first hobby jogger pay-per-view event here yes Casey versus Camille um steel cage steel chairs we'll see uh but yeah I I I you know I'll send her another DM to see if I can get her to come on the show. Uh she has ignored me up to this point other than challenging me to a wrestling match. So there is that uh and and and I wish her well she is actually running the Havelena 100 which I feel she'll win um and it'd be good to see her back in Western states because whether she realizes or not I think uh the sport really needs someone like Camille in it. But thank you all for uh joining uh tonight. Jason good to have you on the show once again. David, good to have you back on the show once again. And Rob, great job as the co-host with the most also a guest on this show so we were all kind of guests slash co-hosts uh David once again congratulations for finishing I was proud to see you come across the finish line uh and you know get to be a part of that whole trip with you I'm still hung over and still not drinking alcohol after my two week Eurobender.
SPEAKER_02Absolutely great uh great to recap with you guys. Appreciate you having me on likewise.