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Thank you for joining this episode of The Hobby Jogger. I am the co-host, Mr. Casey Coza. I am once again joined by my co-host, Mr. Rob Myers. Rob, how are you doing today?

SPEAKER_00: 0:46

I'm doing well. Excited to uh talk to the Pope himself, the great and powerful one.

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Yeah, this guest, uh, you know, like Dave Letterman said, needs no introduction. This one does not because he has appeared on the show more times than anyone else, Mr. Jeremy Pope, here to talk to us about the Canal Corridor 100, which took place this past weekend in my town, Akron, Ohio. Mr. Pope, how are you today?

SPEAKER_02: 1:11

I'm doing good. It's great to see you guys and glad to be back. Feeling all right? I feel like I ran 100 miles for sure, but all things considered, I'll go. I feel awesome.

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That's about the best you could hope for. So is that a satisfy shirt you're wearing?

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That's a satisfy shirt. Nice.

SPEAKER_01: 1:32

Yeah, I I sent uh gotta stay chilly with the moth tech. Gotta have the moth moth tech aptly named. Uh hey, good for the satisfy people that they can sell a t-shirt from 1986, quote unquote refurbished for$162. I appreciate the hustle. Killing it. Rob joined me at the Satisfy uh booth at I guess it would be a garage sale that they had, right, Rob?

SPEAKER_00: 1:59

Yeah, it kind of looked like my closet from like 25 years ago, and they're making a killing, so I'm doing something wrong.

SPEAKER_01: 2:06

Right. I was trying to figure out, yeah, I talked to the guy, super nice guy, and I was like, so this shirt is whatever it was. I I think I'm exaggerating at$162, but I don't think by much. And he was like, Oh, well, we get the shirt and then we refurbish it and do stuff to it. I was like, Oh. Yeah, I missed that step, I guess. So yeah, okay, good for them. It's an important step. Yeah, very important step. But I did send a picture of you while running the Canal Corridor 100 to Mr. Caleb Bowen, former guest, and first thing he says back to me is he's got the satisfy shorts on or tights or or whatever he had on.

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Caleb, that's funny. Hey, I will tell you, I have not one piece of chafing. I don't have a blister on my body. Just saying.

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Well, that's that's worth that's worth the price, then I think, because that is uh yeah, it's tough not to have any chafing after a hundred miles. So hey, satisfy. Come for the Moth Tech cooling technology, stay for the no-chafing.

SPEAKER_02: 3:13

I was actually an oralite, but moth tech's a little different.

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So oh, your shirt was oralite? Yeah. Okay, my fault. I yeah, I'm not yeah, I'm not good on the gear yet. You'll get there. I'm working, I'm working. So going into the canal corridor, a 100, you'd had a had a rough go of it, I think. You know, a little bit injured, a little bit banged up, knee, hip, back, all the aches and pains that uh an ultra runner, you know, gets, but worked through them and got to the race. Uh what what were you dealing with injury-wise? Because I know it was, you know, we we chat quite a bit about all sorts of things, but I know you were a little bit banged up there because you were riding the bike a lot.

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Yeah, I came, I had a good block for Laurel Highlands uh 70 miler coming into May. Race was in June. Um and my knee knee just kind of blew up on me there. I don't know if it was like a re-injury of a meniscus or not. Um, so just kind of dealt with it all summer and hopped on the bike, kind of had fun with it.

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Yeah. Yeah, you got like a whole bike gang down there in Worcester that that those guys can go.

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There's a squad that rides uh out of the local bike shop, and it's it's honestly a lot of fun. It actually gets to be a damn race, so it's like some of the nights you gotta be on your on your game if you're gonna ride with the A group. So I yeah, it was fun. You know, and then you spend money and buy bikes and stuff like that.

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Yeah, so we're we're probably gonna lose you to the Peloton.

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Yeah. I don't know. I I enjoy running.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it sure showed on Saturday. So what was your goal for this race? I know it was probably a little bit different than normal for you just because of the injuries, you know, didn't have quite the training block you wanted to, a lot of it being on bike, and you know, weren't running as many miles as I would assume you would want to. So what was the what was the goal going into this?

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I truly just wanted to get back to a state of just feeling healthy all summer. I just felt real clunky, everything was just things are just off. Um, you know, just life stresses and being busy with my two girls and wife and just you know, working through that stuff, but still trying to have fun, you know, with running. So um yeah, just backed off truly. And uh so coming into canal, I was I wanted to get back to feeling good. And within the last like maybe three weeks, finally, um I just felt like things were back to normal. Um runs didn't hurt or feel clunky or whatever. So yeah, just going in, I knew I was healthy and I was like, I'm not gonna waste knowing how to run ultras and see what happens. You know, just go out at my goal is eight-minute pace, and I just stuck on it as long as freaking possible. Um the goal was truly to get to the damn finish line so I could get a West Western States qualifier for the year to get into the lottery.

SPEAKER_01: 6:32

Yeah, and I know that was the the overall goal of the day was yeah, you know, you didn't you didn't, which was super disappointing you didn't have to run Laurel Highlands because you were you were you were building up a ton of miles, looked great, you were feeling good. It was kind of I I don't want to say it was your A race, but I I feel like you were you really wanted to go out there and and run that well, and then yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_00: 6:57

But dude, you're sandbagging a little bit. I mean, come on. I you're banged up, right? You're not prepared, and you're still 45 minutes ahead of Edward, who came in number two. I mean, come on, let's let's celebrate. If you were in perfect condition, what were you like two hours ahead of Edward?

SPEAKER_02: 7:14

Yeah, I don't know. Um 100 miles is still scary though. So it's like I it's only my fourth, and I've it's been four years to this race was my last race four years ago. So I was, you know, you you gotta be pretty nervous about just going for a hundred miles, no matter the terrain or whatever. So I know my body knows 10 hour range really, really well with the 50 milers, 100Ks. Um, so I was like, I know I can run strong for 10 hours, and then from there, you really just shoot from the hip, right? It's it's just a crapshoot from there. Everything hurts, everyone hurts, you know. All the people behind you, they're hurting too. It's and that's when it's kind of fun when you're shooting from the hip, and sometimes it works and things are working, and sometimes it's just not good.

SPEAKER_01: 8:15

So yeah, make no mistake, you were definitely hurting towards the end. You know, I was I was riding the bike around all day, and yeah, you were certainly in, you know, a pretty fair deal of discomfort, I would say.

SPEAKER_02: 8:29

For sure. And honestly, the course was fun being those out and backs. You know, you got to see people all day. Encourage them, they're encouraging you. But when it gets dark, there's little just little lights running around. So it's little voices. So um yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 8:47

Yeah, that was that was a pretty neat dynamic. I was because I I DNF'd the race last year. And yeah, you know, you you get on those long stretches between, you know, I'll say botsom up to past delays, going towards Cleveland, and you just don't see anyone. You're not around anyone. Maybe some other runners are out because it's still during the day. Yeah, you're you're pretty lonely out there. Were this, you know, they had to shorten the course. They didn't shorten the race, they shortened the course, and because we couldn't go through the Cuyahoga Valley National Park. But I certainly think it probably I mean added a little bit more elevation to the race. Uh, you had to go up the big hill there three times, you know.

SPEAKER_02: 9:30

Uh it seemed like forever, just you know, the the monotonous flat is like what's it, three, four, five miles?

SPEAKER_01: 9:37

Yeah, I don't think there's a hill between Acker and Barberton. I don't think there's there's maybe a dip.

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A couple bumps over just road crossings um at the entrances of those uh couple little parking lots, but yeah.

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Yeah, so that was a different dynamic, I think, for the race this year is yeah, you actually got to see people, you got to see all your, you know, we had Heath running the race. I'm sure you knew more people, but our our friend, uh Rob and I's friend uh Grant was out there, and so you get to see him what six times or whatever.

SPEAKER_02: 10:07

Exactly. And it was honestly a lot of fun. He's just like, How you feeling? I'm like, I feel good, how you feeling? Feeling great. As Kim's running past, screaming, you're running too fast. So that was fun. Um yeah, yeah, I was excited. I was excited to go to Cleveland, but thankful for how it worked out. Like it was super easy on my wife and kids. You know, they were the they were the crew.

SPEAKER_01: 10:33

And well, don't forget you had your your pacers, you had uh our our man Hinkle, our buddy.

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Pacer Hinkle and my buddy Brock.

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And your buddy Brock. So yeah, you it I think it does make it a lot easier for the crew. You know, you just had to go down to Barberton. I know we just pretty much stayed at Missing Falls Brewery for grant. Um, so we weren't maybe as much help as we could be later in the day as the day wore on, you know. Rob, we had to go in for a couple pints.

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Yeah, of course. I mean, that's a given, right? You're not gonna pass that up.

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Yeah, I mean, if they're right there, it's easy enough, right? You just take a couple minutes.

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Yeah, and then the other aid station was at it also at a bar, second second soul, which is in a plaza with with a couple bars. So yeah, there was there's a lot of options this year, Rob. It wasn't, you know, you weren't perched out in a the middle of the Cuyahoga Valley National Park this year.

SPEAKER_02: 11:24

You were if you went to Cleveland, like I could I could see where that would just feel like it just naturally feels like a long distance, right? Where this thing, I just I truly just broke it down into like three pieces and then it's like six pieces.

SPEAKER_01: 11:42

Yep.

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I'll back, out back. The stretch definitely the stretch south truly felt like 20 miles down and 20 miles back, but I'm not sure if other folks had that same experience, but it I think was 8.6 miles, but boy, it felt like forever. And then going north, it would I don't know, it just seemed it just felt shorter. I don't know why.

SPEAKER_01: 12:13

Maybe they're just more it's a little bit more scenic going north for sure.

SPEAKER_00: 12:19

Well, Casey, maybe give the background of what changed, right? The course completely changed. I don't think we've really talked about that enough.

SPEAKER_01: 12:25

Yeah, so the course originally was supposed to go to Barberton, Ohio, which is south of Akron, then come back north, go through downtown Akron and head up to Cleveland, where I believe it's Edge, and maybe it's not Edgewater Park. It's but it goes to Cleveland. It goes to the flats in Cleveland. I forget the name of the park that it ends up in, or whatever it's called, and then back down to Akron for the finish. Well, the permits got pulled, we'll say, or canceled, I guess would be a better term, when the government shut down. So they needed to kind of pivot to this course and still be able to have the race. Now I, you know, I didn't actually talk to any of the people running the race. Was there talk of it being canceled at all, Jeremy? Or were they always had a backup plan?

SPEAKER_02: 13:35

I actually don't know about that. I don't, I don't, I really don't know that.

SPEAKER_01: 13:39

Because I know I did read where they said I I read the website and they said, hey, if you don't agree with this course, the out and backs, hey, you know, we'll defer you till next year, no big deal. And which was cool, yeah. Give people an option. Yeah, which I think is fair. If you really wanted to run up to Cleveland and back, that was your dream, you know. Yeah, you should get your money back, I think, if you can't fulfill that. So yeah, that was good of them. And I doubt anyone. I you know, again, I didn't ask them, but I doubt anyone took them up on that offer.

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Yeah. I mean, truly, when you tell somebody you ran a hundred miles, they most of the time they can't grasp it anyways, right?

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Yes.

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Like, I ran out and back six times.

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Yeah, for this race, it's so different because, like I said, you get to sit in, you can the start line and finish is at Missing Falls. So, especially at the finish, when you're in Missing Falls, there's a lot of people who have no idea what ultra running is. They have no concept of running 100 miles. That's just really far. They don't like to drive that far in a day. So when you just talk to the guys and the men and women at the bar, they're like, What are you here for? Oh, I'm here watching, you know, my friends are out there running 100 miles. Whoa, and they're like blown away at this fact. And it's just, I don't know. I feel like this race is different because while you're there for the race, you see a lot of people who don't know what ultra running is, like have never heard of it, didn't know it was a thing. So you get to like, it's just funny to see that expression on people's face, like, oh no way, these people are running 100 miles, and how long is it gonna take? Like three days. Well, some people, yeah, closer to three than you know, two.

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But if you say, Oh, they ran to Cleveland to Lake Erie and back, they'd be like, Oh wow.

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Yeah, that's it. Takes me an hour to drive up there and an hour back. That's that's pretty cool. So, yeah, yeah, a little bit different dynamic than this rate, which is awesome.

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But they did a great job, truly. But as soon as the government shut down, I think it was within like a day or two, they had an announcement that there would be a course change, no problem. And then they had all the their information updated pretty quickly.

SPEAKER_01: 15:52

Uh, kudos to the race organizers of canal. I've I've run it once, but I've been down there for the last how many years, and it's always a smooth seemingly to me, as someone just watching, seemingly a smooth production. Everything seems to be right on point.

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And I mean, you're running through uh metro parks, multiple metro parks.

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Like, I don't know, I'm not even sure how what the number is, but yeah, because like Big Bend area, that's a metro park, uh, because that's the part of the sand run.

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So I mean, I'm sure it's a it's a lot to put together.

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Yeah, I have I have no doubt they put a lot into that race. And this year was probably a little bit more, I'm sure a little bit nerve-wracking for them. Last minute course change, you know, which is I've never seen that happen. You ever see that happen before, Rob? Last second course change like that.

SPEAKER_00: 16:46

Yeah, we saw it recently with OCC.

SPEAKER_01: 16:48

Oh, true, true. We did, yeah. Weather, weather and conditions related.

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Yeah, they rerouted the slightly different scenario, but yeah, yeah.

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So probably not easy to do. In France, they probably just say we're using this trail today, no permits needed.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Hey, kudos to them. And just yeah, one of my I think it's my favorite local race. Oh, absolutely. Just because of the Missing Falls Brewery, which I frequent, as Rob knows. We've we've had some pints in there before. Rob. Oh, quite a few.

SPEAKER_02: 17:20

There's not many races around that's it's one distance, right? Kind of cool.

SPEAKER_01: 17:25

That was going to be my next point, is I know they can make a lot more money for sure. If they had relays and marathon distance and a 50 miler and 100k, they could 100% if they wanted to monetize it, you know, to the max, they could do that. And they don't do it. They just keep it a hundred mile race. Not just keep it up, they do keep it a hundred-mile race. And I I really do hats off. We should probably have them on the show, Rob, I guess, since we do talk about it so much. But yeah, yeah. Very cool that they do that. And uh, yeah, like I said, big fan of the race and just big fan of how it how it runs. The aid stations are top-notch. It looked like to me, you know, they they got the electric, they got the what do you call them, hot plates going. The uh what's the slow cooker called, Rob? Crockpot. Yeah, they got the crock pot with the the ramen noodles. I think they made maybe they had chili. I could have seen it wrong. I was a little bit tired at 3 a.m.

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so I mean people people want to eat at 3 a.m., right?

SPEAKER_01: 18:31

Heck yeah. Yeah, Graham had a few uh cups of ramen for sure to go. So yeah. Hats off to the canal corridor team. Great race.

SPEAKER_00: 18:39

100%. I made an important question for you, Jeremy. You know, Casey and I are older runners, and uh, I'm looking at the results. This guy crushed it. He won by like 45 minutes. He's almost in the Masters League. Like one more year, buddy, and you're gonna crush results like that. It's 30 days. Oh, 30 days. Well, even better. Oh, happy birthday, happy early birthday. But that's pretty amazing. Like you come back next year, you're 40 years old, you know, representing us old timers, and you're still gonna crush. It'll probably be like an hour next year.

SPEAKER_02: 19:14

I know it's kind of an it's a yeah, I've been struggling with the number, but I'm also like, you know what? It's totally fine. I'm this is where I'm at. And if you can be young and fit, you can also be 40 and fit.

SPEAKER_00: 19:27

Well, I think it highlights ultra running in general, right? I mean, you can be 40 years old and still be the best. There's still 40 years old, 40-year-olds out there that are just crushing it, just setting PR, setting course records. I mean, it happens all the time. I think we have the luxury of being in a sport where you can be in your 40s, 50s, and even 60s and still really represent come race day.

SPEAKER_02: 19:49

And 100 miles is a long ass way. So a lot can happen, and you know, there's a multi multiple tools in the tool bag, you know.

SPEAKER_00: 19:58

Yeah, and for those listening, Jeremy looks like he's 25.

SPEAKER_01: 20:02

Yeah, would never never guess he was about to turn 40 if I didn't know him. But you mentioned something there, Jeremy. I think that's very important is the experience of the of running races like this, whether it's 100k, 50 miles. You know, you have to have your nutrition dialed in. And I you didn't start, you were in second for a ways. I I don't remember how long. I probably should have looked at the results here before I started this show tonight, but you know, I did not prepare, Rob. Sorry.

SPEAKER_00: 20:34

Not a first.

SPEAKER_01: 20:35

Yeah, not a first, not a last. But you were in second for quite a bit. And I know you want to win. You know, you your goal was to get the Western States qualifier, but you're you're a competitor, you want to win. Were you ever worried being in second? Like, were you like, oh, if this guy gets away from me, I might not catch him, or were you just, I'm gonna run my race, I know how things are gonna work out in the second half, and just continue on.

SPEAKER_02: 21:01

Yeah, I think it was it's actually both of those things, is the way I was thinking from the direction you just said. I was I went in and it was like, I'm just doing my own thing. It doesn't I think canal is just a place where you can just it truly run. You know, there's not like this section is super hilly and rocky, and you know, we gotta work through that one, and then we gotta work through these other other things. It's just running, just running forward. So you can kind of zone out and stuff. So I knew I knew I could be very comfortable at eight-minute pace, and like that was kind of just where I wanted to hang out, um, and then also keep an effort to know that I'm not overdoing it. Yeah. I think my body just understands the that time around the eight hour, ten hour range, and yeah. But once I moved into first, then on the out and back situation, you can see each other, right? So you know exactly I wasn't slowing down necessarily, so it was like I'm fine. I think by the time I got to second soul the second time, would that put me at 60 ish?

SPEAKER_01: 22:16

Yeah, I think that was about mile six, because you have six back.

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Yeah, yeah. Somewhere around the 100k-ish. I think it was a little bit more, but I knew my I was four miles ahead. Essentially, I came back to Second Soul on the two mile out and back, and that's when the next person came in. And it was actually a female, and she was absolutely crushing it.

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Yeah, dude, she was rolling. Unfortunate DNF.

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Uh yeah, yeah.

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That I and I don't know them at all, but you know, I guess it's probably tough because yeah, the the flat race provides a whole different set of you know, obstacles. You're pounding the same muscles continuously, yeah, feet the same way continuously, and there's no hiking. Maybe the big hill, maybe the big hill you hiked it.

SPEAKER_02: 23:01

Yeah, I just took it easy up that thing. It's like, I mean, there's no sense in pushing it. No, your effort's gonna be much harder because you're just flat running forever. So once I knew that, I was like, I just need to work through myself and keep the slowdown as minimal as possible. And ultimately I didn't eat the last 15, and my stomach was an absolute mess. And you know, those are it's just things that you work through. Everyone's working through something, I feel like. Sometimes you can get away with it being a little later, or sometimes it comes in the middle, and then you get over it. And I think that's kind of what happened to you know, some of the other people out there.

SPEAKER_01: 23:41

Yeah, there was uh, you know, you you saw did I see you when I was on my riding the bike around? No, I think I missed it. Yeah, because you were actually past, I stopped at the place to eat, the valley cafe, which changed names. I don't remember what it is now, but I stopped at the Valley Cafe to eat, and you happened to be on the little two-mile section beyond it. So I did miss you while I was riding up and down the course. I had to get my eggs benedict, so that was more important than seeing you, Jeremy. Sorry.

SPEAKER_02: 24:07

You can get behind the eggs benedict.

SPEAKER_01: 24:09

Yeah, heck yeah. But I do, I I do give there was a gentleman I had his name put. I don't want to say his name uh because for some reason his Strava's private. Uh so I don't know, you know, why that is, so I don't want to say his name, but uh his was I'm gonna give this award out, I think, now for races, Rob. Is the Pure Carnage Award.

SPEAKER_00: 24:32

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_01: 24:33

Yeah. Yeah, I just came up with that right now as a as a way to introduce this this gentleman. Maybe I'll reach out to maybe I'll follow him on Strava and reach out to him. But uh I've never seen someone hurting that bad. This guy, he was wrapped in space blankets. This is like 2 30 in the morning at uh second soul. He's wrapped in space blankets, like sweatshirt on. The man can barely walk. He leaves maybe oh gosh, he had to leave 20 minutes before Grant. And Grant caught him at the top of the hill. Who Grant was not in good spot either, but Grant caught him, was like, oh, this guy back there was super wrecked. You should have seen him. I was like, oh, I saw him, and I applaud that man for gutting it out. So yeah, he wins the uh the carnage award for the day. Uh yeah, but there was a lot of carnage out there, and it's it's uh there was some there were some zombies in the morning.

SPEAKER_02: 25:25

Oh my goodness. I I it's kudos to the folks that are out there all night. I mean, it's it is a feat in itself.

SPEAKER_01: 25:33

Um yeah, I know we you know we we we highlight the hobby joggers on this show, hence its name, the hobby jogger. And yeah, it's it's so cool to see them. I that I went Robbie might not believe this, but I went back to Missing Falls uh in the morning. I rode my bike, so I see you know the big hill and go up and caught this gentleman. He had the trekking poles out, he had the lean on, the left, you know, the left lean, he had the trekking poles going. He had about 30 minutes to finish, and he was right right by the finish. But you know, hats off to guys like that and women that just you know struggle through it and have that kind of fortitude to to get it done.

SPEAKER_02: 26:13

I mean, you're still covering 100 miles no matter what. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 26:18

Either way, you if you cover it in how fast did you run it? 1450. 14. If it's 14x.

SPEAKER_02: 26:27

He was getting close, and I was uh I could see the finish line, and I might have uh lost my stomach a couple times there.

SPEAKER_01: 26:36

Well, that's yeah, that's that's something that happens too. I I saw a gentleman uh he was about mile 30 lose his stomach. That was I didn't see him after that. So hopefully he's well. I I wish him well, and hopefully he is. So Rob, you gotta come up next year for it.

SPEAKER_00: 26:53

Oh, yeah. No, I definitely will. Yeah, I missed it a couple of times now. It's not gonna happen next year.

SPEAKER_01: 26:58

Yeah, it's a lot of fun to see, especially in your backyard where you always run, and it's cool. And Jeremy, I was super happy to see you see you win it, you know. Always good to see you out there and and see you know, your wife and kids. They're always always happy to see people and always with a smile on their face. So yeah, good good to see them out there.

SPEAKER_02: 27:17

And yeah, they were they were as tired as I was, honestly. I mean, they're rock stars for what they do.

SPEAKER_01: 27:23

Yeah, they they sure are. And it is a long day to be out there for a hundred mile race or a long day and a half for for some people. So yeah, we we thank you uh, you know, for for coming on here and sharing your experience with it and talking about the canal corridor a little bit. And what do you got next? What's on the what's on the trail king of Ohio's future?

SPEAKER_02: 27:46

I'm on the wait list for Black Canyon.

SPEAKER_01: 27:49

I saw that.

SPEAKER_02: 27:51

Should get in there. I mean, I'm 100th or something.

SPEAKER_01: 27:55

Yeah, you'll you'll definitely get in if you want to get in for sure.

SPEAKER_02: 27:59

So excited for the third go around there. Western States lottery in December. That'll be uh the hopes and getting into Western States.

SPEAKER_01: 28:09

Well, you know you got your A-side crew. Appreciate that. Climb up the mountain. Yeah, yeah. Holly's gonna owe me a six-pack of some local beer for for taking that task on the uh the the drive up the canyon, uh canyon road.

SPEAKER_02: 28:26

I mean that's uh that's a long drive. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 28:31

Rob, you'll be out there with us, I'm sure. Oh yeah. Jeremy gets in. I'm going. Yeah, heck yeah, yeah. It'd be it'd be a ton of fun. It'd be it'd be cool. Yeah, I I actually would prefer to go up the canyon just because that's something you don't get to see ever. Um, you know, if we didn't crew together, I never would have saw it unless I was crewing. Like you're not just gonna drive up that canyon for no reason, because definitely not in a Jeep.

SPEAKER_02: 28:57

Uh whatever what we have, the big Jeep uh uh the Jeep Rubicon or something. Rubicon.

SPEAKER_01: 29:04

Yeah, like this off-road smasher of a vehicle.

SPEAKER_02: 29:08

And Casey was all the green.

SPEAKER_01: 29:11

Yeah, we what were we on like maybe 60 feet of unpaved road? Yeah, a lot of fun. So yeah, hopefully I know I'm signed up for the Black Canyon 100k. Uh, you'll get in. We actually have a lot of people from Ohio going. Can't wait to do a show on that with our all of our local people that are they're heading there.

SPEAKER_02: 29:30

So outside of that, I I'll I'll run something at Fuzzy Fandango. That's in basically a month. Um, they always do a great job there. All kinds of distances. You could do 50k, 25k, nine miler. So I'll do something there and try to get back on the trail is what I truly want to do. I'm my knees been bugging me, and I'm a little worried about it on the trail. So definitely need to get back to strength training. I'll probably hop back on the bike just a little bit. It was definitely hurting my hip flexors, so I had something going on there, but so try to mix some stuff in and just be 40 and fit. That's all.

SPEAKER_01: 30:12

Thank you so much for always coming on uh for all the races. You know, it's so cool to have your perspective on races, running, uh, shoe wear, everything that you do. Uh so thank you so much for your time being with us here today. Rob, we don't gotta ask him, I guess, what his handle is because we know it. Uh Pope Runs and Instagram. So we're good there. And uh I thank you all for for listening, and uh we will see you next time. Appreciate you guys. Thanks. Team Pope.