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E42 | Adidas Terex Agravic Speed Ultra vs Hoka Tecton X3

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When two premium carbon-plated trail shoes battle for supremacy, which one truly deserves your hard-earned dollars? We dive deep into the $220 Adidas Terex Agravic Speed Ultra and $275 Hoka Tecton X3 to discover their strengths, weaknesses, and ideal use cases.

The Adidas delivers a responsive, race-ready feel that mimics road super shoes but raises stability concerns. Meanwhile, the Tecton X3 provides confidence-inspiring stability on technical terrain but disappoints with its durability relative to its premium price point.

We tackle the questions that matter most to trail runners: Do these shoes justify their $200+ price tags? Which one performs better for different distances and terrain types? How do factors like foot strike pattern and fit preferences influence performance? And most importantly, will either shoe actually make you faster on the trails?

Whether you're considering these specific models or simply trying to navigate the increasingly expensive world of premium trail shoes, this episode provides the honest insights you need. Subscribe, share your own experiences with these shoes, and let us know which trail shoes you'd like us to review next!

Casey Koza:

Thank you for joining us for this episode of the Hobby Jogger. This episode is going to be a little bit different. We are doing our first shoe review I guess it's a head-to-head comparison of shoes and for this particular review, I brought in a friend of mine, friend of the show, frequent guest, frequent contributor to the show, mr Jeremy Pope. Jeremy, how are you Good, how are you guys? Yeah, you know know, hanging in there just, uh, you know, biding my time until the canyon's 50k. So hanging out two weeks, two weeks. Also joining us, as always, mr rob myers. Rob, how are you?

Rob Myers:

doing well. Excited, uh, for the shoe review cage match to enter one leaves.

Casey Koza:

Yeah, yeah.

Casey Koza:

I guess, Maybe one will leave, I don't know. We might just fight to the death and we both die, who knows? But yeah, we're going to be reviewing two very popular trail shoes today, because I prefer to run on trails I know Jeremy does as well and the shoes we're reviewing today are the Adidas Terex Agravik Speed Ultras Terrible job by the Adidas marketing team I don't need that many words in a shoe name, I don't think and the Hoka Tecton X3. So those are the shoes we're going to be reviewing. I think we might have two varying views of each shoe possibly, hopefully and we'll give you our thoughts on those shoes. Rob, have you worn either shoe?

Rob Myers:

The Tectons yeah, I got to try them on go for like a three-mile run. I was pretty impressed.

Casey Koza:

I'm not impressed by the price tag, so I haven't committed yet yet, but I think at some point I'll have to take the plunge yeah, that's one thing before we get into either shoe like these are uh, I believe the adidas shoe is 225 retail, is that correct, jeremy? 220, 220 in in the tectonics 3 is, I believe, 275.

Casey Koza:

Yep, yeah, that's true that is a hefty price tag for a running shoe and you should get a lot out of those shoes if paying that much. But what shoe do you want to start out with first, Jeremy?

Jeremy Pope:

Oh, it makes no difference to me. I say we start with the Adidas.

Casey Koza:

Oh, perfect, that's great. Yeah, my first complaint about the shoe is the name. So, first off, I'm an Adidas guy, always been an Adidas guy. Me and my friend Grant went running earlier. We're talking about this episode and we were talking about the Adidas Predator, one of the most iconic athletic shoes ever made. It's right there with the Air Jordan internationally, like the Adidas Predator, the Air Jordan, like the two most iconic sport shoes ever made. So I am through and through an Adidas guy, always wore the Predator, love the brand, love the shoe. But this shoe, I feel like, is not, not for me. I'm not for a hobby jogger like myself. There's a lot to be desired when it comes to stability. What did you think about that, jeremy?

Jeremy Pope:

What do you mean when you say the word stability? I know, like that word, it has different meanings. Right, like you're turning your ankle?

Casey Koza:

Yes, a lot of so I wore it in sand run, where I run all the time, and I felt like I had to be very careful every step because my ankle was going to turn Like I was on platform shoes.

Rob Myers:

You're spot on. When I hear the word stability, that's the first thing that comes to mind. Does my ankle feel like it's going to turn as soon as I step on the edge of a rock?

Casey Koza:

Yeah, and I did. I think I counted four ankle turns within a seven mile run and San Ron isn't exactly like a. It's very well-traveled. There is some roots and rocks a little bit, but it's, you know, it's not that bad of a you know to be that kind of instability. I guess you ran in the shoe jeremy in the super bowl down in worcester, ohio, which I feel like would have been a muddy, rooty, rocky mess, and did you have any stability issues?

Jeremy Pope:

I honestly did not. I was slightly hesitant because of the outsole, like the lugs aren't huge. So I mean, like, as far as gripping mud, I would say it's definitely less than the Tekton that we're comparing, but ultimately the feel of that shoe for me is is just the better feeling shoe on foot. I did what you nobody should ever do. I ran in the agravix speed ultra two times super short before putting it on at Black Canyon.

Casey Koza:

Silly yeah you shouldn't do it. We don't recommend that here.

Jeremy Pope:

The rocky terrain there and the Super Bowl terrain, which would be the complete opposite of mud and roots, I never felt unstable. I really didn't.

Rob Myers:

Quick question. So if you were building like your ideal shoe and I think this is important to the listeners, you know both of you I'd like to really give your ideal shoe. If you're breaking it down and do like a wider toe box, narrower collar height, stack height drop, I mean, what's your ideal? So I think that's important when you're going into review the shoe right, like how does it compare to what you know you like and where you perform really well?

Jeremy Pope:

I totally agree with you too, because it's there's so many um, just over time you pick up on things and shoes and you just like little things here versus there. I have a narrow foot. I like my shoe to be snug like I like. I like the feel of a snug fit throughout toe box all the way up instep. I feel like the agravix speed ultra definitely does that almost. Almost to a fault with the lacing system.

Jeremy Pope:

Only complaint I know casey started off with complaints, so my only complaint with the shoe is I had my left just a little too tight to start the race at black canyon and I ultimately had like an arch blister. So I loosened it up at mile 10. And like then, from there it was fine. The blister had already formed. So, like it was, my whole shoe was full of blood but flipped it to Superbowl muddy, slippery, slimy, cold. You get your feet wet in the first mile and a half you just literally go straight into standing water. So my foot was wet the whole entire time and I didn't, I didn't have any blisters. So my, I guess I I completely skipped over your, what you were saying. I like a firm shoe, snug, fit throughout, slight bit of softness, but I, like I would steer towards the firm side of shoes rather than like a soft squishy underfoot feel well, the follow-up question would be where did the adidas rank kind of in your ideal profile that you just laid out?

Jeremy Pope:

I would say it's for myself. It's almost spot on what I like, a little firm for the trail. When you're talking ultra distance, I don't know how I would love that thing at like mile 50. Ultimately, at Black Canyon I never even made it close to 50 miles, so I had a nice 36 miler or something like that, but I just don't know. Maybe it would be fine, you know, towards the end of that race, but I guess I haven't had it there quite yet. So I love the fit, love the feel for me, all of those things that you're asking, I would say seven and a half, eight out of 10.

Rob Myers:

Wow, Impressive Casey.

Casey Koza:

It's just the shoot it like. I. I couldn't get over the non-stability of the shoe, like when I have to worry about turning my ankle and breaking my leg. I just you know, it wasn't. For me it did feel very responsive Like it did feel like a road super shoe, like just like the Adidas Adios Pro, which I think is tremendous shoe. I like that shoe a lot. I would run any marathon in that shoe road marathon. But yeah I, the toe box was actually pretty good. If I have to say something nice about, yeah, the toe box was actually pretty good.

Casey Koza:

If I have to say something nice about it, the outsole was good. It was I believe they use is it Continental, continental? It was just as good as the Tectonics 3 outsole. I thought Like there was no difference for me and this is just based off my only comparison runs of the two shoes are sand run, so outsole was good. It's just the stability. I just felt anything I made up with the efficiency that gained from the foam and I guess not the plates, but the splayed fingers plate of the shoe, splayed fingers plate of the shoe was lost in just having feeling like I had to be so careful as as to not break my ankle yeah, so that's why my biggest disappointment with the shoe.

Casey Koza:

But yeah, toe box I liked. I guess that was okay because do you have?

Jeremy Pope:

do you have um other carbon plated shoes?

Casey Koza:

like road shoes. Uh, yeah, I have the adidas, the adios pro. I have the mock. The mock one, not the mock two, because I didn't want my ankle torn up. Yeah, in the adidas. Whatever their quick, like, their short, fast shoe is, uh, takumi sen, yeah, but I think I have the nines. So so I have those plated shoes to kind of to reference and I like like the, the takumi's I. I really like a lot. I do a lot of interval workouts in them and track workouts in them and have no problems.

Jeremy Pope:

So this is like the first adidas shoe I've ever just been totally out on well, and having run with you, I feel like you, you definitely kind of stay up on your toes. Yeah, I am maybe the opposite, where I kind of just land very midfoot, maybe even towards the back of the heel my shoes only wear out in one place, which is like the front, like yeah, yeah.

Casey Koza:

on the forefoot, like yeah, there's no doubt where I strike.

Jeremy Pope:

What I notice when I run in the Adidas is I tend to then go up on my forefoot and me, then my stride on it literally just feels better.

Casey Koza:

That could be where it's putting me on, but I'm already there. So there's nothing like it's not designed. Maybe. It's just maybe not designed for someone like me who, you know, just yeah, runs on their forefoot like that. I, I don't know. Uh, yeah, the stability, yeah, very disappointing. I wanted to like it. I did, I truly wanted to like it a lot. Just because I like adidas so much and I I've always worn their shoes, albeit Canyon's 50K, I'll have Adidas underwear on, adidas shorts on. Will not be wearing the Adidas shoe, unfortunately so. But that brings us to our next shoe. Jeremy One, I know that you've also worn the Tecton X3, which I feel currently these are like the two super shoes quote, unquote. I'm doing the air quotes Super shoes that people are. You see them all the time. I know Tectons kind of get a hard time because they have the gaiter. I like the gaiter. You're not as big a fan of the tecton, correct?

Jeremy Pope:

yeah, they just feel night and day to me, these two shoes. While the the adidas is an eight millimeter drop shoe, hoka tectonics three is five millimeter, which hoka basically keeps almost everything yeah, at five millimeter, which I.

Jeremy Pope:

I like that. I like that they do that. Um, the new clifton 10 that just came out is they bumped it up a little bit, but I feel that the adidas has a lower drop, like when you sit in the shoe and I I don't know, maybe it's just the shape right or I don't know it feels like my heel feels really, really low when I put the hoka on. It just feels like a workhorse. It doesn't feel like a race shoe, like when I'm putting on a carbon-plated shoe that I paid 275 bucks for. I'm like I want this thing to rip. You lace it up and you're like I'm ready to roll and I just, I don't know, I, I like the Tecton, I really liked the two. I had the one. I had three pairs of the two and the three is is fine for me.

Casey Koza:

I don't, I don't know I agree with you Cause I liked the two a lot. If they could have just swapped the foam from the three to the two, I think I get what you mean Like, cause it does feel like a I don't want to say clunky, but it's more on your foot. It's not just like a race type type shoe, but at the same time I don't worry at all. Like I was talking to Will about it shoe for Laurel Highlands. I was like I would wear the Tecton 3, no problem.

Casey Koza:

Like I feel like it's a shoe that can go anywhere. I'm not worried about rocks my ankle, whatever. I wore it at Grindstone 50K and just never thought about it, just every downhill went down Definitely has the responsive foam. The Piva-based foam definitely helps the legs out late in a race Like there's no doubt about that to me of what a super trail shoe can be. So I'm a big fan of it, like I I don't know I get what you mean, though Like it's not like the sleek super light. You know smaller shoe, it is more to it. But at the same time I think I don't know I if you're running a 50 K, a 50 miler, maybe you need a little bit more to you know you don't want to just be running on a minimal shoe for that far.

Jeremy Pope:

I'm with you, I'm totally with you there too. It's like I think the Tectonics 3 is like a 50K to 250 mile right, like I think that shoe I don't think you're man, I don't know about hundred miler in the, a graphic speed ultra I know those adidas athletes are doing it, I don't know. I mean I feel like the, the tecton x3 is just like this workhorse where it's, it's gonna hold up. You're not gonna slip. You're you exactly what you said, like you feel comfortable. Every step is like I'm gonna nail it. I don't feel like I'm slipping.

Jeremy Pope:

Turning what I'll say, when I switched into the tecton at black canyon, I fell face first within the first mile and I mean that it could have been on myself, right and and maybe the switching of shoes. But it's like I feel like I just cover more of the surface, like I'm really going heel to toe in the Tecton. I don't know, I guess there was so much hype around it. It was kind of like the Speedgoat 4 to the 5, where they're like this is the shoe, and then it was slightly underwhelming. I'm kind of there with the Tekton X3. Slightly underwhelmed.

Casey Koza:

I guess I can see where you would be. Yeah, because it's like you said, it's probably a better 100-mile shoot. I mean, Jim designed it so that's what he prefers to run, so it's probably going to be mostly designed to run 100 miles.

Rob Myers:

I don't know the number of miles, but it didn't feel like a Hoka to me.

Casey Koza:

I don't have near the number of miles, but it didn't feel like a Hoka to me.

Rob Myers:

You know, I think if you're a diehard Hoka, the tectons just didn't feel like a normal Hoka. And if you're on the fence with Hoka and you're not a Hoka person, I could see you putting on the tectons and getting a totally different experience.

Jeremy Pope:

I don't know if what you're saying, jeremy, is somewhere in the middle there. In the middle there, the biggest con that I have on the shoe is I ran multiple 50ks in it. I ran saddles 50 miler in it. I had somewhere around 200 miles on the shoe. If you look at the thing it's, it's basically destroyed. I wouldn't consider myself heavy. The foam on the one shoe is like broken down differently than the other. So I'm kind of disappointed there where it's like 275 bucks super foam era with a carbon plate. I'm like I wish I could get three, four hundred miles on this thing before it's losing its pop.

Jeremy Pope:

So 275 dollars yeah yeah, you're right yeah, like, yeah, we, we, if we take that out per miles, like we're paying a dollar a mile yeah that's a lot. A trail shoot takes a beating, right let's. Let's be honest water, mud sticks, sand, dirt, blocks jabbing into it every step.

Casey Koza:

Yeah, there are a lot more views than the road shoe. Just the same contact point, the same push off every step.

Jeremy Pope:

I'd say a pro then would be I like the soft, I almost like the Piba foam over the. What is it like? Light strike in the Adidas? I guess, when you're talking about those long distances, maybe.

Casey Koza:

It definitely absorbs a lot of contact or energy from the ground. The piba foam does like I. I will say there was a noticeable difference in my legs from running. I don't I don't remember even I think I don't remember the shoe I ran laurel highlands in, but there's a lot of downhills in that and then grindstone how my legs felt after. My legs were pretty like my legs felt pretty good after grindstone uh, you probably ran into this in the hall, maybe might have.

Casey Koza:

Yeah, I'd have to go back if there's a picture or something and see what I what I ran in it. But the foam, definitely the foam, the super foams definitely help.

Jeremy Pope:

I'm 100 convinced of that not to like bash on hoka, but I, with that speed goat five, I I literally just haven't gotten a speed goat six. The speed goat five was dying. I I felt like it would get to maybe 150 miles and then it would start to get like this banana shape mine, mine would. I don't know if other people experience this, but and then it was just you put it on. It's like this thing, it's dead, it's completely dead yeah, those things got shot real quick.

Jeremy Pope:

Uh, I have a couple pair of them that are yeah, they're u-boats yeah, yeah and you, you set it on the ground and you're like, you look at it and it's a different looking. It's like yeah, so I don't know the speed goes. Six was you know that was a popular push also, I think the speed goes probably number one trail shoe out there yeah, you see it.

Casey Koza:

I mean we saw a bunch today. We were out in the cbmp running and, yeah, we saw a bunch of Speed Goats. Yeah, it's definitely the most popular trail shoe there is, for sure. I can't even think of what would be second actually, what I see second most, I don't know what would it.

Rob Myers:

I think they're number one. My only complaint with the Speed Goats is, once you get them wet, they never fit the same way again, and I know there's other shoes that suffer from that. But if you get them soaking wet you're going through a creek. When they dry out, they just never feel the same, in my opinion.

Jeremy Pope:

Yeah, and I'll ultimately be always a fan of Vibram outsole. Vibram outsole's great If you're going to go on a trail, why wouldn't you have Vibram? I don't know.

Casey Koza:

But props to Adidas for coming up with their own outsole that is, I think, at least for a super shoe, very comparable. I guess I would need to look in to see what the weight difference is between the outsole of the Tecton 3 and the Adidas Agravic Speed Terex Ultra shoe Gosh, that's a lot to say.

Casey Koza:

I mean, I'm not going to be able to get over that. Now you name the most iconic shoe. You have the Predator, and you couldn't just come up with the Speedster, the Blink, asu or something I don't know. Yeah, the fast like I. Certainly there's a verb we could have come up with that not used by another shoe, or even a noun. I don't know something other than that.

Jeremy Pope:

Wow, adidas, ass kicker yeah, that'd have been fine. There's a five ounce difference. What they basically what they post on their website, right? Adidas says nine and a half ounces in a size nine, ahoka's at 10 ounces flat. I don't know. It doesn't say if it's size nine. I assume probably you have to imagine that is all in the upper, because the upper of the Adidas is pretty stripped down. Yeah, there's nothing to the upper of the adidas is pretty stripped down.

Jeremy Pope:

Yeah, there's nothing to the upper of the adidas, yeah, and where I'm kind of a fan of the little sock liner, kind of enjoy it on the tecton uh so I, when I was I I met one of the designers and I brought that up with them, my predators again, talking about the Adidas Predator.

Casey Koza:

I was like that shoe has, well, I guess, a gaiter essentially, but it's much tighter to where you don't even need to tie your shoe but it keeps. They started putting them on shoes when people started playing on turf fields to keep like the little black balls out of the shoe, and I did. I asked one of the engineers of Hoka. I was like why don't you guys put these on? Like I would like this on a trail shoe. It seems like a pretty you know one. It form fits, like it, it, I don't know, not form fit, but it locks you down into the shoe a little bit better, I guess, than just laces. Like it's an additional support, kind of like having an ankle brace on, maybe not as tight, but I thought it was a tremendous idea. I guess it gets a lot of flack from some people, but I think it's a great idea.

Jeremy Pope:

I can't really see a negative there.

Casey Koza:

No, it's like wearing a sock, kind of there's no weight difference at all. We're talking grams.

Jeremy Pope:

I mean, could you say, oh, it's hot or something? I don't really know where you could go. I think it's just because it looks a little goofy.

Rob Myers:

I thought it was very comfortable and, to your point, casey, definitely felt like you were locked down in the shoe.

Casey Koza:

So from a utility perspective.

Rob Myers:

I thought it was fantastic, but I think it does look a little goofy right. But who cares what the shoe looks like? It's about performance and how you feel.

Casey Koza:

Yeah, it's how, how the shoe feels. I couldn't ever care less how a shoe looks, I mean yeah.

Jeremy Pope:

In comparison, like the graphic speed ultra it's. It's like a road super upper really. It's completely stripped down. You're kind of worried about the heel, right yeah.

Casey Koza:

I was worried about a lot of things on my foot when I was running in it.

Jeremy Pope:

Is my heel going to slip in this thing? I never noticed anything like that. I, when I got to black canyon funny little story but flew into the airport, drove straight to the finish line and did a little five mile run. Yeah, eli and his wife taber were at the. They were there doing a little run themselves, he commented on. I, I was. Yeah, it was the first time I had wore those shoes two days before the race. But smart, smart, we like that Definitely. He made a comment about the lacing and he said everyone's swapping out the laces. Those they're like kind of little jagged looking laces and they are. It's almost kind of annoying.

Casey Koza:

They don't. I can see that because they're so thin they're going to have a tiny little pressure point across your foot Because there's nothing to the tongue either to disperse the pressure To, where, if you use like a normal lace that just lays flat, it's going to distribute it over. We're talking quarters of inches here, but I can definitely see where that would be an issue and why people would swap out. Because those laces are like pieces of nylon, essentially there's nothing to them. They were saving every bit. They put all the weight definitely into the midsole of that shoe. That's where all the weight is. There's nothing in the outsole of the laces. It is all in the midsole of that shoe for sure.

Jeremy Pope:

So, yeah, that makes sense why people would swap that out because those laces were and I know, like eli came from triathlete world, right, yeah, so I'm sure he's used to throwing lock laces and stuff and uh yeah, like those, the laces are little.

Casey Koza:

Yeah, I mean, we're definitely in any gritty of a shoe we're talking about the laces are a little. Yeah, I mean, we're definitely in any gritty of a shoe, we're talking about the laces. But yeah, I can see why you would Cause. Well, maybe you shouldn't be, because that is like you. You had an issue with them in such a long race, like that's part of the shoe, that's part of something that's touching your foot and you don't want that to happen, especially if you you know you're out in 100k and you don't have an extra pair of shoes with you.

Casey Koza:

You're done.

Jeremy Pope:

I guess it's kind of like there's. No, I'll say, the adidas feels like a carbon plated shoe. The tecton x3 doesn't necessarily feel like a carbon plated shoe. No, what do you guys?

Casey Koza:

think I didn't think it does not feel like what I like snapping. Yeah it, no, it doesn't. It doesn't give off that. You know it has the foam, it has the plates and whatnot, but yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't have that snapping feel. It does absorb the impact a little bit better than the regular shoes. But yeah, you're right, I yeah, it doesn't. It just feels like a normal trail shoe to me, which is probably why I like it. Nothing you know special, I guess yeah, I agree.

Rob Myers:

Yeah, my only experience is with the hoka. I haven't worn the adidas and uh, yeah, I thought it was a regular shoe. Like my comment, same as earlier. Right, it just didn't feel like a Hoka. It's not positive or negative, it felt like just a different shoe from a different company. Like I liked it. It was very comfortable. Going uphill, my foot felt very snug and going downhill, same experience. Typically, you know, when I buy shoes, I'll go up a half a size or a full size because my feet swell up so much. They were super comfortable, snug in all the right places. I like them.

Casey Koza:

Well, I do still have a pair of the Tecton 2.5s that I could break out, the true Oka super shoe, I guess.

Jeremy Pope:

Everyone out there, if you're listening.

Casey Koza:

Yeah, don't't give my address. They'll be breaking my door for the the tecton 2.5s.

Jeremy Pope:

But in a size9, it's available yeah.

Casey Koza:

So to wrap this up, I I wanted to like the adidas shoe. I very disappointed because kind of something you said earlier, jeremy at mile 23, when my legs are dead, I just didn't trust myself not to really roll an ankle and put myself in a bad spot when I'm just dead tired and want to finish to where, with the tecton, I've already ran a 50 cane. I didn't feel like that would be an issue, like I could just still shuffle along and not have to worry about every single place I post my foot. So for me, a hobby jogger, I I'm a Tecton three minus the price. The price is a. That's a hefty price. I'd like to see what their margins are on these shoes. It's not going down.

Jeremy Pope:

Yeah, that means people are buying them what the Nike is, it's right, it's $260. And then Norda just came out with theirs. It doesn't have a plate, but it's super foam, it's $325.

Rob Myers:

Oh, oh Jeez. So I mean, the prices keep going up. I'm going to buy my running shoes from Walmart.

Casey Koza:

Yeah, they certainly know their demographics when it comes to trail shoes, for sure.

Jeremy Pope:

What's that thing like the victory insole? Have you seen that?

Casey Koza:

No.

Jeremy Pope:

It's like basketball, like they uh, they snap a bunch of shoes and then they throw the victory in there and they snap the shoe and it goes flying right. You get your, your avias from walmart and throw a, throw an insole in there yeah I, that's ridiculous price.

Casey Koza:

I hey for me I just wear this and all. Unfortunately they quit making them, but I'll wear my tecton threes and maybe one day I'll break out the 2.5s, if I don't sell them on ebay. Jeremy, your final thoughts on both shoes? I?

Jeremy Pope:

like them both for different reasons. I know that's kind of uh if we're're not coming to a conclusion or a winner here, but I think they both have their purpose. I feel very confident in the Tecton X3, going downhill specifically. I know Rob mentioned like an uphill and then a downhill. It's like going downhill, I kind of just suck at downhills. Going downhill, I kind of just suck at downhills. But in that Tecton X3, you're like every step I feel great. I think if I'm running a 50K and I'm looking to go fast, I'm wearing the Adidas. If I'm going really far technical terrain, maybe some slippery stuff I'm probably wearing the Tecton X3. I'm going to have to get a new pair and that hurts. It really hurts me.

Casey Koza:

Yeah, that's, I've only. Yeah, that's like I've only worn mine for 150K in a trail run. So I feel like I still got them for canyons but they're still in good shape. But yeah, that's just. The price tag is the biggest thing for me and yeah, I, I'd prefer to be out running like steep up and down trails Like you know we're. We're going out to Laurel Highlands, so like trails like that where neither shoe really is necessary, I definitely wouldn't wear the Adidas out there. That'd be broken leg for sure. Rob would be hauling me off the mountain. We don't want that.

Rob Myers:

Yeah, I mean, where I get hung up, is the ankle roll right? So I've had three or four pairs of shoes after one run, multiple ankle rolls. They're going in the corner, they're going to the giveaway pile. It's just, there's something about that experience where you just you lose that stability and I don't trust the shoe.

Casey Koza:

Yeah, for sure. So yeah, that's the verdict, Jeremy's even on both. They both do have their place. That's all we got today, I think, for the Adidas V Tecton 3 debate, plus a little bit more. Yeah, you got a little more shoe talk from Jeremy and myself and Rob as well. We didn't get into the Merrells. Maybe we'll do another episode on the Merrells. Rob, what do you think?

Rob Myers:

Yeah, we definitely should. Yeah, so far, I really like them. Yeah, I'm impressed.

Casey Koza:

Yeah, that's a really good trail shoe. I think it goes overlooked by a lot of people that don't know even Merrill exists. So it's actually one of my favorite shoes of the year. So maybe we'll do an episode on the Merrill Skyfire. Shout out Rachel Tomiacek. I believe I said her name right. I don't have it written down in front of me, but she's running for Merrill and got the shoes when she was on the show and, yeah, tremendous trail shoe. So maybe Rob and I will review that in an episode coming up. So, appreciate you. As always, listen to the Hobby Jogger, listen to Jeremy, and I talk about some shoes here. Jeremy, thank you for joining us. I always appreciate your time. Thanks for having me. It was fun.