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The Hobby Jogger Podcast
E41 | The Sound of Running: Bryan Parker Takes on the LA Marathon
In this captivating conversation, seven-time Emmy-nominated sound engineer Brian Parker returns to share his LA Marathon journey, complete with all the triumphs and challenges that followed.
Brian takes us through his training, including how California wildfires disrupted crucial long runs and how he encountered "the wall" at mile 16 during preparation. "I had a hard time walking in a straight line and my brain did not feel good," he reveals, describing that moment of glycogen depletion that every marathoner fears. His candid discussion of fueling mistakes offers invaluable wisdom for anyone attempting long-distance running!
Beyond the running talk, we explore Brian's work as supervising sound editor on the hit medical show "The Pitt" and dive into the subtle artistry behind creating realistic soundscapes that viewers often don't consciously notice.
Whether you're training for your first marathon, curious about sound design in television, or just enjoy authentic conversations with passionate people, this episode delivers with humor, insight, and entertaining detours.
Welcome back Hobby.
Rob Myers:Joggers.
Casey Koza:On this week's episode we bring back former guest Brian Parker. Brian was coming off of a half marathon and in this episode we get to hear a little bit about his full marathon experience at the LA Marathon. Brian also very interesting, he's a sound guru, lives out in LA, is currently working on the hit show the Pit, where Brian is the supervising sound editor. Brian is also a seven-time Emmy-nominated sound engineer. Hope you enjoy the show. Welcome to this edition of the Hobby Jogger. This is a Hobby Jogger and Friends episode. Rob Myers the co-host for today's episode. Rob, how are you?
Rob Myers:Doing well. Yeah, I've been trying to get out there and train a little bit for the Savage One coming up this Saturday. So a little nervous, if I'm being honest. A little nervous.
Casey Koza:Saw you bought a pair of the Merrell Skyfires. I just had mine out in Pennsylvania this Saturday. So a little nervous, if I'm being honest, a little nervous. Saw you bought a pair of the Merrell Skyfires. I just had mine out in Pennsylvania this week. Hell of a shoe, super impressed by it. So good luck with that, appreciate it. But today we have a very special guest, friend of ours, friend of the show, mr Brian Parker, coming off of his LA Marathon. Awesome year that you're having, brian, great show that you're working on the Pit as well. And one of your favorite bands is going to come tour America this year with Pantera. It's all happening.
Bryan Parker:It's all happening, it's all coming together.
Casey Koza:But welcome back to the show, brian. Thanks for joining us. Thank you very much for inviting me back. Yes, you survived the show, brian, thanks for joining us. Thank you very much for inviting me back. Yes, you survived the LA marathon I did intact.
Bryan Parker:You made it, I did and I had I. I will tell you, I had my doubts. I had, I had some doubts during the, during the training, but yeah, I had a, I had a. It was a very good day.
Casey Koza:It was a very good day.
Bryan Parker:Good, but I, I feel, like the weather's probably generally always good in LA. There's a very, very, very rainy season In like December, january, february, but we just basically just finished the rainy season right in time for the marathon. This year it was. It was quite good.
Casey Koza:Sweet. Well, that probably. I mean, I guess rainy season probably hurt your training a little bit, but you seem to be logging the miles in.
Bryan Parker:Yes, except the fires actually did much more damage to my training season.
Bryan Parker:Oh yeah, the air quality was really bad in most parts of LA. Now I live down in South LA so I was certainly less affected by folks in Pasadena, altatina, out there, but even so there were days when I'd go outside and it really actively smelled smoky and so I took off. I think I skipped two long runs and, uh, I did a couple short runs just to test the waters, you know um, but but going out for like a you know 13 mile, I skipped one of those and sort of felt that later in the training where, when I sort of got back on the horse around you know, just try to jump back into the program for a 16-mile run, say, or an 18-mile run I just felt a little bit underprepared for a stretch there during the training. I felt the absence of those weeks that I missed.
Rob Myers:So Brian LA's spread out enough. Was it possible that you could check the weather app and find other locations where the weather is a little better and maybe drive 20, 30, 40 minutes?
Bryan Parker:Not really the winds, according to my understanding that made those fires so devastating. If you were to look on the fire maps, the winds the Santa Ana winds basically went straight from off the notes through my house down to Long Beach, so they were carrying a lot of broken dreams from those fires all the way down to anywhere that I would consider running. So I guess that I probably could have driven way far inland to get away from it. I didn't really. I guess I yeah it would. It would have been a big lift to get somewhere unaffected. The whole, the whole region was was affected.
Rob Myers:I'm sure it was changing, you know, day to day. Yes, some days were better than others. Yeah.
Bryan Parker:Yes for sure. Some days were better than others. Yeah, yes for sure. And there were days I would walk out and there's just a layer of ash on the windshield of my car that I knew I had cleaned the previous day. So I was like, well, that's the stuff I didn't breathe in by not running yesterday. So I don't know. There's a motivation thing there and a longer-term health thing. Anyway, I lost some weeks, but I feel like I applied my remaining weeks as best I could.
Casey Koza:There's always. That's very unfortunate. The virus goes without saying. But there's always setbacks in training. Something hurts the hip hurts, the knee hurts, the ankle hurts, yeah.
Bryan Parker:Yeah, I mean, I've it felt. I certainly didn't spend any time complaining about such a thing to anybody here because, yeah, I know multiple people who lost their houses. You know a very small thing to have go wrong in in my life.
Casey Koza:Uh, compared to some people, I care about a lot, you know yeah, yeah that that was tragic out there, what happened, and you know very very unfortunate but, you know, glad that you were safe and doing, doing well and and got your marathon training in and got to finish the the LA marathon. Did you, did you hit the wall at all? Did you find the wall and did you hit it?
Bryan Parker:A fascinating thing I did. I did not hit a wall I was concerned about such as you might imagine. My longest training on it was 20 miles and at 16 miles two things happened at the same time. One, my phone battery died, so my music stopped, which is very bad for me, as you know.
Bryan Parker:Oh no, and number two I hit the wall. I had a hard time when I stopped because my music was because my phone battery was depleted, and I tried to investigate that for a minute. When I started to walk again, I had a hard time walking in a straight line and my brain did not feel good. So I, according to my limited understanding, I would say I hit the wall. That's what to me, that's what the wall means.
Casey Koza:Yeah, it sounds like a wall.
Bryan Parker:And I think that I was just way, way, way underdoing the fueling and I wasn't giving enough consideration to electrolytes. I wasn't, I wasn't replenishing my salts enough, and that was at 16 miles. And then the rest of that 20 miles was like trying to push through it. You know, walking for 400 meters and then trying to run. You know, running for just under a mile, just pushing, just trying trying to figure out what I was feeling, because the stuff about the aspects that I think contributed to that didn't really occur. I wasn't in the brain space, the aspects that I think contributed to that didn't really occur. I wasn't in the brain space to process that information. Yeah, so it didn't really occur to me what was going on until afterward. If it had occurred to me, I probably would have found a convenience store and well, actually my phone battery was dead so I couldn't use Apple Pay to buy Tower Patch Kids. I don't know. I don't know what I would have known, but I wasn't dealing with the information especially well.
Bryan Parker:So, after feeling very weird about my commitment to the marathon for the next week, I decided to just pursue, you know, and start the taper and see how much more information I could get about that thing. You know, really try and get everything I could out of like a 120-minute run and a 10-mile run and did some more reading and I think I was just under-fueling. I think I was just taking in half the calories that I should have, because, since this was my first marathon, the very notion of there being a fixed amount of glycogen you can possibly store in your legs, you know, in your muscles that's this like starting thing that you're always using your whole life, that you could run out of Like never really occurred to me in a way that, in a useful way, like I'd heard people talk about this concept before, but I think you really need to feel it for the lessons to land. I don't need to tell you, you know, you know, I've, I've learned the lesson more than once, unfortunately, and you're right, I've.
Casey Koza:I've learned the lesson more than once, unfortunately, and you're right, you were, you were definitely under fueled and you just you feel like you feel hung over. Yeah, very, very weird. Yeah, you were out on a like, out on a bender, but you weren't drinking, you were running and you're just it's. Yeah, it's a strange feeling, rob, you've been there, I know.
Rob Myers:Oh yeah.
Bryan Parker:No, hungover is perfect and, as I've told Rob a couple times along the way, that I could apply to prevent something really really wrong from going, prevent something from going really wrong in the future. So there's just, there's just no way to learn that lesson, like you know. Okay, cool, brian, you've done a half marathon. Great, you ate some gels Cool, great, it went fine. Some gels like one every 45 minutes or, you know, maybe 30 minutes. You know your favorite flavor, right? Sure, great, whatever, it's fine. And that works fine when you haven't completely depleted all of the glycogen in all your muscles. You know, I did not realize that I was drawing on a reserve that whole time, right, I thought that that amount of fueling along the way was enough, simply because I had not done the math and believed the Internet. So so, like you know, there's, there's no way to test for it unless you go north of 16 miles. Right, that's it, that's the, that's the game. And so I mean I'm very, very grateful that I know this now and I have a better sense of my limits and I, as a result, you know, after my taper, I was kind of like my attitude towards towards my first marathon was kind of like. My attitude towards my first marathon was uh, okay, I guess let's just see. Just very Gen X, just very like, yeah, man, um, whatever's about to happen is going to fully happen to me. So I just went for it and I just said yes to every Dixie cup of Gatorade that appeared in front of me along the way. Right, that's good strategy. I got like a reusable pouch and I used hammer gel, you know, to refill the reusable pouch, because the sight of like all those discarded goo packets I find kind of revolting. I'm with you. Uh, so I I got one of those reusable ones and, um, it honestly went fine.
Bryan Parker:My, my good friend scott, who's a runner with a much faster pace than mine, um was like he wasn't running the marathon. He was like, hey, I'm soaked, you're doing it. What kind of support can I I give? Is there anything I can do? And I was like anything. Anything you want to do is great. You want to bring me a mile? Do you want to bring me a banana at mile 14? I would love it. Do you want to pace me for a minute? Mile 16 to 18, just make sure I get past the hump right there where I stumbled before.
Bryan Parker:And he was like, yeah, both, he like brought his motorbike out. He like met me at mile 14 with a full Gatorade and a banana and I like I stopped and talked to him for a moment, which was nice, and then he was like all right, cool, see you in two miles. He hopped on his motorbike, he went around to like just after 16 miles and ran with me for a minute and, honestly, it made all the difference. It pushed past the place where I had let my brain get me a little freaked out about before. You know, just kind of press reset on my whole attitude. And I just got to talk to him for two miles and it set me up for the last leg. It was incredible, actually. It was, yeah, it was perfect.
Bryan Parker:Nice, nice.
Rob Myers:Glad you had an enjoyable time like that.
Casey Koza:Yeah, it definitely helps. You know, a friend, you know come out and support you like that and it is. It's a mental thing to get over. When you've put yourself into that spot before, it's tough mentally to then go back and break through it. I know I've done it to myself before. Where I was. It was like a long run and I was just so dead at the end of it Like I blurry vision. I got myself to the nearest seven 11. I just went to the Gatorade cooler, chugged one, chugged the other one that the poor kid behind there is like looking at me like dude, are you like what? What are you on? Like you know, are you?
Bryan Parker:on. Did you pay for them? Did you drink them? You stand at the cooler drinking them at the cooler.
Casey Koza:Then I went up and paid for the two I was, I was. I learned that mistake. I was like oh, I almost passed out in the seven 11. The poor kid was like dude it's like 11 AM. I was up pretty early, so it's like he's like it's too early for the drunks to be out. What are you? Are you? Are you up, kaz? Yeah, dude.
Bryan Parker:Now, did you, were you at? Were you at what you projected to be the end of your run, or did you, uh, were you at? Did you have to stop earlier than your projected mileage at that convenience store?
Casey Koza:I was. I was done. I got back to my car. I got my car and stopped at the seven 11 at the bottom of the hill. It was two miles from home. Seven 11 is about a quarter mile from where I was parked and I didn't think I could make it home. I wasn't sure I could make it home.
Bryan Parker:Are those calculations fascinating. You're like, um, I could, my legs are okay, my head, uh, like, is it dangerous to drive? You know, all you're doing all that little math in in my particular situation, because my phone was dead, I didn't have a wallet with me, so I couldn't like call anybody for help due to, like, you know, capitalism, I couldn't like buy any help. Know, capitalism, I couldn't like buy any help. Um, so I'm like, all right, so I'm four miles away. If I sit down, I'm kind of worried about passing out on, you know, like all this little math yeah, yeah, it was, it was.
Casey Koza:It was like it was controlled, but it was definitely scary, like oh, this I'm in, I'm a little bit of danger here, like it's 11 am on a saturday and I'm, you know, walking around like a zombie that's.
Bryan Parker:This isn't this is. How long ago was that?
Casey Koza:oh, this is a couple years ago. I learned my lesson from that one was at that time was the long.
Bryan Parker:Was that the longest distance you'd gone, or was there some other factor that made it so challenging?
Casey Koza:I just didn't. I I would, for whatever reason, because I don't. I don't drink a lot when I run. I don't eat a lot like my normal runs. I never do and I just I thought I'd be okay and I got to like mile 15 at the top of, you know, sand run park and I was like shit, I got five. I was like I'm dead and I got five miles left to get back to my car. Like this is not good. I remember I stopped at the water fountain at the bottom of the hill for a couple minutes and drank as much water as I could and was full, but it wasn't enough. I was depleted, I was hurting.
Bryan Parker:There's a dude in, I think it's episode one. Yeah, there's a dude in episode one of the Pit. Yeah, that's a triathlete, you know, and he's like, he's like I I usually do fine, but something, something's not right and he like, well, he like he, he uh loses consciousness and his heart stops and and and the team's like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, rhabdo, you know. And so I had that. I had that clanging around my head, you know, whenever I was feeling not great at mile 16.
Rob Myers:It's an experience you have to have. When you hear other people tell the stories, it just doesn't do anything Like. It takes you to one and then you experience it yourself and you're like oh, I know, now I know. And Brian, you've heard this one before, but I don't know if you have casey uh, first highland sky. Driving back the day after I'm pulling the camper and I look at beth, I'm like I'm done. We got to pull over. So she found a campground, set up the camper and I went to sleep for 20 hours that was my first time afterwards, man, I don't know what it was, but everything was shutting down.
Rob Myers:I'm like this is dangerous. We got to pull over not a good feeling.
Casey Koza:Not a good feeling. No, I don't. I don't think you've told me that story.
Bryan Parker:Yes, it's, it's good to hear them, but yeah, you don't learn until you have to pull over and sleep for 20 hours like you, just don't yeah, all we can do is is like put our hand on the stove gently, you know, and just like, like try and test ourselves in a way that um doesn't do any real damage yeah yeah, it's, yeah, I guess yeah just slightly get close to the fire and hope you don't fully burn yourself was yeah, yes, yeah, it was good.
Bryan Parker:I mean, the other option is to not do it again, right, Like were you. Did you flinch the next time you passed 15 miles? No, because I then got it.
Casey Koza:It went through my head like, hey, you need to drink more water, salts and actually eat something, especially if it's warm out. I'm stubborn and it did teach me a pretty good lesson. But now I do like, anytime I get above 15 miles. I like it because it's not often that I go that far, that I get to feel that practice. I guess, yeah, yeah, yeah, making sure, and then I get more confidence as I as I go.
Rob Myers:So and that's so important. It's so important. I mean fueling's number one the worst answer I've ever been given when I asked someone so what's your fueling strategy? You know, are you a gel guy? What are you doing? And he told me he goes. Well, I'll probably eat when I'm hungry. Too late now. Too late now stuff. We'll see how, how many miles you get.
Casey Koza:Yup, yeah, you got to got to start, got to stay ahead of it. But, yeah, like Brian, your your strategy pretty common one. I think every aid station gets some Gatorade, because that's that's some calories, that some salt, you know, and that's some liquid replenishing what your, your body's going to lose over the next, you know, four or five, six hours, or whatever your journey takes.
Bryan Parker:Yeah, I mean I've yet to figure out what the downside is to overfuel. I'm sure it's there, I'm sure it's gut issues or something I haven't overfueled for one of these real long runs. Well, for me. Really long you feel better probably. What does it look like if you got too many calories and too much salt and too much water? Do you have to pee? I don't know.
Casey Koza:Okay, yeah, that's so in our space now, like the trail running, that's like a trending thing is like over-saturating your body where, like these people are now taking I'm going to say the wrong numbers because I am- but it's like we'll say 140 grams of carbs an hour. Oh gosh there. Yeah, that's that's a lot, that's that's quite a bit. But I yeah, I don't know. I guess GI issues could be a possible downside eating, drinking that much.
Bryan Parker:I guess, but with no fiber. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, it's something, but that's the thing is sort of dumb, but it's going to be something that's going to be interesting for me to experiment with. Now I'm probably not going to experiment with the low side.
Bryan Parker:If I'm being honest, I didn't like it, but it's information you can only get north of, you know, for me north of 16 miles. Okay, so, compared to what I was intaking before, you know, I got some data points from the before, like a very, very messy 20-mile run, a kind of blech 18-mile run. You know, that's on one side of the spectrum, and then the other side of the spectrum a bunch of extremely gracious cheering people handing me Gatorade for 26.2 miles, you know. So I want to fill in some more data in there, like how many grams of carbs, roughly, does it take to not feel that other way? Because, like I said before, I was under-fueling so much I was probably only taking in 45 carbs an hour before and it seems much more like I need. Let's start with double that.
Casey Koza:Yeah, I think 90 seems like a good number that's kind of where I've settled. I try 90. It's kind of where.
Bryan Parker:I've settled, I try 90. It's a lot to carry, though, in a non-race, in a non-sanctioned event. It's a lot to carry with you.
Casey Koza:For us because we have the packs for trail running. What I'll do is you start out with your two bottles I think I carry. I'd have to look at the package to see what they are but like two scoops I want to say it's 90 grams of of carbs in the never second drink mix. But then I take two extra flasks with me that already have two scoops loaded into them. The grenade station I can just pull them out, put water in them and then I have gels as well.
Bryan Parker:So, oh see, oh, that's tight, so you don't carry the weight.
Casey Koza:You don't mix them, you just. You just put the powder in the empty flasks. Yep, killer, yeah. So then I get to, you know, mile 15 to refill and I take a handheld with me too to start out with, for a little bit extra, but then I can just stow that away once I drink. Go through that one first, I can stow that away, and I'll squeeze a gel in that one at the half, fill up the two and then I'm back fully loaded. So we have that a vest to carry. A lot of roadrunners don't carry that, so I don't know where they put the gels.
Rob Myers:Rob, you know they stick them in their pockets, and I mean, some of these shorts today have like six or seven pockets. You're probably walking around with an extra five pounds around your waist.
Casey Koza:That's yeah that's true, and he's got a. She's gone right now, but she has a belt that it's pretty thick and you can stash like all sorts of stuff in there. I was going to use it one day but I ended up taking the vest. I need to use it, take it for a spin, but yeah she's, she could stash like all sorts of snacks and like basically a lunch in that thing.
Bryan Parker:So as long as it keeps it like tight against your body so it doesn't like shaking around while you run. I can see that that's the problem.
Rob Myers:It's so hard to figure that out. No matter what you do, it's still gonna move around.
Casey Koza:A little bit. Yeah, it's, it's the bouncing on the chest like when you're starting out with the two liters of water, that's. Yeah, it's a little bit to get used to, but once, once, you tie them down in there like, yeah, what are you gonna do? Like, at least it's mixing it up for you, I guess do you have a favorite kind of vest?
Bryan Parker:for that? I mean, I guess I could probably look up what what you said on we views. But uh, do you do you do you have like a style or or brand, like a favorite kind? Because I'm just, I'm just getting into the vesting now um I don, I don't like my. I have a belt. I don't like it all. I just got whatever was at the running store for for a vest and it seems like fine, but I'm curious.
Casey Koza:I use just a Solomon. I forget, since Solomon something Rob. What do you use?
Rob Myers:Mine's super cheap. I mean, the one I'd like to have is the one like David's, I think. He has kind of the second skin, the tight ones that you can kind of shove whatever under your armpits. They have these giant pockets, but it's like $200, $300, and I'm cheap.
Casey Koza:Get a lot of use out of them. I don't think I paid that much for mine, but it's nice. I was up in the mountains of Pennsylvania this past weekend and I knew it was kind of going to rain and it was a little bit chilly, so I took a jacket with me in the back.
Bryan Parker:Yeah, If something goes wrong, I have a jacket with me. I feel a little bit you know better.
Casey Koza:Plenty of storage space.
Bryan Parker:Oh, dude, totally off topic. Yeah, and I apologize. I got to the finish line of the LA Marathon and, like you know, they give you your banana and stuff and someone's just pulling off you know foil emergency blankets, like off a roll and handing them to everybody, and I was like I kind of wanted to stop me, like, excuse me, sir, I'm Brian, I'm curious about basically everything, what's this for? But instead I just took one and put it on and you know, and I was still like my heart was still thumping, I was still warm, still, like you know, engaged until I'm just hot, right, I step into the shade and like, just like the wetness of being sweaty and the the, the heart rate dropping, I was like, oh my god, oh my god, like this blanket isn't the best friend I've ever had right now.
Bryan Parker:I didn't. It's something I hadn't planned for. You know, I never that didn't come up in my, you know, half marathon or whatever. I was shocked at what a difference it made and and shuddering to think what I would have been going through if I didn't have this little piece of, you know, this little emergency blanket.
Casey Koza:Yeah, little piece of you know, this little emergency blanket. Yeah, the emergency blankets, it's even. It can be like 65 degrees, yeah, and and yeah, if you step into the shade there's a little bit of a breeze, you're freezing I washed it off.
Bryan Parker:I'm gonna like take it with me in the future. It's a situation where I have to stop running and don't want to like like shiver all the way home because it it felt it was not subtle yeah, I mean running has more accessories than barbie dolls.
Casey Koza:I mean there's so much that you could buy, or you could spend a couple thousand bucks and still not buy everything no yeah it's not a cheap hobby they, they lure you in with oh it's, just throw on your shoes and go, it's yeah got me good with oh it's, just throw on your shoes and go it's, yeah, got me good, that'd be real good. Yeah, oh, you need these shoes, you need this vest um get these socks, these socks are good.
Bryan Parker:Oh, these are the ones. These are the socks. This is the one you want. No, no, not that other sock no, that was last year's sock 12 pairs later.
Rob Myers:Yeah, yeah, you're still trying to find the perfect socks.
Bryan Parker:I will tell you this much, for I like my new balance shoes, but with a little bit of distance on it my feet swell up to in between two sizes. So I have to choose between a shoe that's too big and getting blisters on the side of my toes, or a shoe that's a little bit too small and messing up my toenails Turns out. I I'm the jury's out. You know I'll send an update in the next couple of weeks. I don't know how long it takes, but I might lose big toenails from this marathon. They're both purple. Yeah, they're gone, damn it. There's blisters under them. So I think that the layer of skin that's at the top of the blister that the nail is on is probably going to be like okay, well bye, after this blister is done.
Bryan Parker:So that's where I'm at and I will say that the slightly thicker features sock the trail features sock makes the larger hat size shoes fit basically perfect. So if I go with the thinner features, certainly the 11 is too big. The 10 and a half feels fine walking around during the day, but after some running and they swell a little bit makes the 10 and a half too small. But the thicker sock with the 11, that felt too big. With the thinner sock, is everybody following? I can draw a diagram if that helps.
Rob Myers:Yeah might I use the same math? I know that math very well anyway, the thicker, the thicker.
Bryan Parker:Features. Trail sock helps you bridge the gap between two sizes, is my point.
Casey Koza:That's what I learned also vaseline before you put on the sock is. I've eliminated 100% of blisters with Vaseline.
Bryan Parker:On the side or on a whole toe or what?
Casey Koza:Underfoot. I just put it on the whole foot, the whole foot. You're just like, grease it up, because you don't know where you're going to get a hot spot. So I just, yeah, grease up the whole foot. I used to get them like a sole of my foot. I I haven't had a blister in years.
Bryan Parker:What state are your toenails in?
Casey Koza:oh, my toenails yeah, they're they, I lose those. Yeah, okay. Yeah, the vaseline doesn't help the toenails, it just prevents. Prevents the blisters. I haven't figured out the toenail game yet.
Bryan Parker:So yeah, this is, this is the intel we need yeah, I don't.
Casey Koza:I don't know how we get the.
Bryan Parker:Have you had a podiatrist on the podcast yet?
Rob Myers:no, I don't think so. You know what, casey, my cousin is a podiatrist. I'll reach out to get it. Yeah, that'd be a fun podcast. It's a great idea, brian yeah, that's.
Casey Koza:that's a really good. Yeah, we should, because I can't believe we didn't think of that before. Yes, thanks, brian See what we need.
Bryan Parker:Yeah, credit me later. Has my idea when it's a huge success.
Casey Koza:I'll just save a toenail. Thanks, brian. I mean that's yeah, I I've, I've lost. I seem to lose the right one. I've always lost the right one, the left one's never. I don't know why, but the right toenail goes.
Bryan Parker:Have you ever saved them? Did you frame it?
Casey Koza:No, they're quite disgusting to me. I don't even like to look at them, I just hold my nose.
Bryan Parker:I will let you know how mine go. I don't know. I would love I tried draining when I when I could ascertain that what's really going on is like that there's a blister under there and that part of that blister was like peeking under the front. I was like, well, maybe if I relieve some of the fluid it'll heal without puffing up any more than it is right now and it'll just go back down and heal and the skin will stick around and it'll stay and it won't lose the nail. Now I'm not super confident that this is going to work, but this is the working strategy I have at the moment.
Rob Myers:Yeah, Good luck.
Casey Koza:Report back and let us know.
Rob Myers:Okay. We're going to have weekly toenail updates on the hobby jogger. Yeah, we're going to need pictures diagrams.
Bryan Parker:Yeah, you need like a. You need like a ticker running at the bottom of the video.
Casey Koza:Brian Parker has now lost his toenail.
Rob Myers:The toe just gets blacker and blacker.
Bryan Parker:You should. You should make the podiatrist like predict what's going to happen, and then we come in with the update.
Casey Koza:That's a good idea. Yes, it would make it turn into a game Free trial fantasy.
Bryan Parker:But for Brian Stowe, I've got to tell you it doesn't feel like a game from here. I've gone on a few runs since the marathon and haven't been pushing the distance too far. It just feels a little snug in the front of the shoe, just a little. I'm just aware of it, you know.
Casey Koza:Yeah, a little swollen still, yeah, yeah, well, I mean you probably can now have access to more medical advice than anyone with the with the show, right?
Bryan Parker:Well, I mean, I have not asked Dr Joe. I have not asked Dr Joe, our esteemed medical advisor, for personal medical advice. I feel like there's a. I think that's a faux pas. I think that every doctor hates that.
Rob Myers:So, no, I don't really think I have access. I think by the second season you earn it, though you get one lifeline right. One question you can ask.
Casey Koza:Yeah, dude, congratulations on that. We're gonna watch the. Uh, I think it's the season finale tonight, but got renewed for season two. The season finale isn't out yet. Uh, oh, oh, because I didn't.
Bryan Parker:I missed thursday's episode, so I wasn't sure well, you're in for a ride, casey, but uh, we're actually doing 15 episodes this season. Oh sweet, Sweet yeah. Episode 12 is one of my favorite things I've ever done. I mean, I'm really proud of it. It's funny. The show doesn't have a ton of music so it leaves a lot of space. But it's funny that the television viewing audience really does not think about sound that much, and that's okay.
Bryan Parker:My body of work is focused on realism. I'm proud of that. I don't do stuff that's too flashy. I don't like try and push sounds above a naturalistic level. I don't encourage my mixers to really feature the work that I've designed or that my people have designed and cut in just for the purpose of featuring it. So it all feels I hope it all feels like natural. It feels like it's just something that happened on set, you know in the moment, but I assure you that it is all composed. You know that very, very carefully placed gurney buys and shouts and plastic bins and all these things that fit into the gaps around dialogue are very carefully placed and chosen. That fact seems lost on a lot of viewers. I guess that's okay. I guess it's a testament to the success of our realism. Yeah, yeah.
Casey Koza:I mean, it's my favorite medical show since House.
Bryan Parker:Oh, thank you, oh thank you.
Casey Koza:Oh, thank you House is an all-time to me. Well, and partly I mean, I can't lie Part of it is due to the fact that it takes place in Pittsburgh, my hometown. Sure, like Dana the head nurse.
Rob Myers:I know her. Yeah, yeah, I don't know her, I know her.
Casey Koza:Like that character. Yeah, she's a yinzer, she's from around, like I know the neighborhood she's from. She's from dormant, she's from, you know, beachview area.
Bryan Parker:She doesn't take that kind of shit from you.
Casey Koza:Yeah, I know, I know what you mean it's just such a good portrayal of you know yinzer nurse is I. I think they did they do a very good job of including some pittsburgh things. She did call someone a jack off. It should have been jag off. That's only. It was close, I know, uh, but she's awesome like that's.
Bryan Parker:I think she's my favorite character at the end of uh, without spoiling anything for your listeners, um at the end of episode nine. Did you, you gasp, did you?
Rob Myers:audibly gasp what was episode nine?
Bryan Parker:Again, in the interest of not spoiling anything for your listeners. Yeah, that is where something happens, to Dana specifically.
Casey Koza:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Her reaction to it is what I would expect from the Dana that I know, like that character that I know. Yeah, that is exactly, you know. Put some ice on it.
Bryan Parker:Hey, I'm going to get back to work you know, yeah, yeah, it's been a joy, casey. I mean honestly it's been. There are good ideas executed very well. There's strong writing executed very um with with people that we like to work with. You know they're people, are kind and they listen to each other in that show and the cast seems to have a a real cohesion. They, they like each other and they like showing up and we. The whole thing has been a blessing. Honestly, it's been wonderful.
Casey Koza:The HBO does a phenomenal job, I think. I think maybe the greatest ever when it comes to TV of casting. Some of the characters that HBO has come up with over the decades it's been around from Oz to the wire all throughout the years. They just they kill the casting, like Taylor De dearden, who's dr king on the show is. I had no idea who she was before this show never, never heard of her and I was like, holy shit, like you know, it's, it's amazing what, what she does with that character and it's, it's yeah it's she's, she's jessica, she's my partner's favorite, like by easy, like by a mile.
Casey Koza:Her and Dane are my two favorites, but yeah, she's just the the, the job and the sound that you do on it. It's, yeah, super real, everything flows perfectly. I like the idea of the 24 type you know, 24 hours from the show, 24. Like you get to see the whole day because I know some, you know, I've known some er nurses and it's like holy shit, like yeah, this is, it's high intensity and like yeah, and, and noah wiley speaks to that.
Bryan Parker:He, um, he talks about how the format of the show means that in episode three you're also acting. You know hours one and two, like the weight of the shift, like it's basically a show about the worst day in dr robbie's life. Right, it's like it's like the this day just keeps going on. So he's he's pulling the weight of those previous episodes with him into this episode. You, you know all of them and and and, so that's a cumulative thing, that that's going forward, you know, for all the way to episode 15. And I think that that comes across in the lines in his face extremely well, extremely well.
Casey Koza:Yeah, there was. There was one point where he had to pee and he kept getting interrupted when he when he would need it to pee and I was like please let this man go to the bathroom.
Bryan Parker:Everyone knows what this need is.
Casey Koza:Like everyone, everyone relates to this specific need, but please, just let this man use the bathroom so I can you know, I can rest a little bit easier here, because if he doesn't pee soon I'm gonna be upset like but that's how good the show is, dude, it's like I like it's just small stuff, like that is yeah, it's it's. It's been a pleasure to launch me and knowing that you're behind so I have to ask the question on your behalf, casey.
Rob Myers:Yeah, so, brian, is casey going to get the interview for the consulting position on the show?
Bryan Parker:because that's all he talks about um I I don't have a lot of sway outside my department.
Rob Myers:So you have some sway, he's saying there's a chance. Casey, he's saying there's a chance.
Bryan Parker:I will mention to our producer, Terry, that we have an ardent enthusiast and Pittsburgh native in our camp.
Casey Koza:You do and I. There is some small thing. I'm not in no way knocking the writing Cause I, like I said, when I'm upset that a guy on TV isn't peeing, that tells me it's very good writing. But there's just some little yinzer tweaks I think we can you know, yeah.
Bryan Parker:You know, the flagpole is very big, but let's, let's, let's see what we can run up it.
Casey Koza:I appreciate that. Yeah, that'd be, that'd be awesome. Yeah, yeah, you know, get some, get some yinzer ease in there for me. You know, rob, there's a chance. That's what he's saying. He's saying there's a chance It'll be run up a flagpole.
Rob Myers:You heard it here first, god, so, so back to the race. Yes, so the LA marathon is gigantic. What was it like at the starting line? Oh my God, so many people.
Bryan Parker:Yeah, we're talking 25,000 people and you know crowds aren't. I am told that some people feed off of the energy in a big crowd and I'm happy for them and I'm happy for them. I just showed up, on the advice of some folks, on the advice of David Barbie, a friend of mine, also a sound editor. I wore a winter coat. He was like get a winter coat that you're comfortable donating and be prepared to. You know, wait and make sure you can stay warm, cause it's it's a long way, you know. And I was like I showed up at 6. Am For a theoretical 7. Am Start, you know. So I'm like waiting in the cold and the dark for an hour. So I'm, and it took some, some sweatpants too, some overpants.
Casey Koza:How are the?
Bryan Parker:uh, at the start, yeah, they massive, enormous, enormous. I don't I, I I don't understand why you'd have to pee already. I guess I found it very confusing, to be honest yeah, I that's I.
Bryan Parker:I had to. It's true that I had to pee, like you know, like 45 minutes after I got there, like maybe 15 minutes before I went into the corral um, from some hydration. But but I, there were folks that were like getting off the shuttle bus and going straight into like like 40 yard long lines, the scale of moving that many people through that area. I I just yeah, I didn't have a picture in my mind before, I think for a lot of runners.
Rob Myers:It's nerves, you know I could see it. They have, uh, some stomach issues before the race.
Casey Koza:Nerves are getting to them oh, once you do it a few times though, I mean you kind of like I wake up maybe an extra hour earlier so I can cycle things kale and coffee bro yeah apple, kale and coffee can't go wrong. Yep, you know, get it through, get it going, yep, before you leave the comfort of your own abode, wherever it is. If, but when man Yep. So that's, that's my advice Take the extra hour.
Bryan Parker:Yeah, I was up at three. It's like three 30 or three 45 or something.
Casey Koza:That's tough. It's like 330 or 345 or something. That's tough. But yeah, the crowd for that I, I I'd probably have you ever run something like that.
Rob Myers:No, nothing even close.
Casey Koza:Yeah, I. I mean I did the Akron marathon, but that wasn't you know, that wasn't like the LA marathon, that's.
Bryan Parker:So what time did you leave the corral? Uh, we'll turn it across. It's across the starting line.
Rob Myers:Yeah, yeah, um, I know it was at least what 20, 30 minutes after the first group.
Bryan Parker:The yeah, the elites left at six, 40. I think I I crossed at like seven, 10 ish somewhere in there. And yeah, I don't. I don't thrive on the energy of a lot of people like a lot of runners packed in. That's not my favorite thing. I don't like it.
Bryan Parker:I find the first mile, you know, an exercise in pulling my mental energies in the right direction and you know dodging people and being dodged and that whole thing, um, is, is, is, um a useful mental centering thing. I have to kind of disassociate from that whole thing. I really don't like it. Um, but then once there's a little bit more space, um, a little bit of room to actually work, um, that only took I mean, that only took two miles, you know a mile, maybe one mile, before I could feel like I could take full strides and not like worry about kicking somebody's heels. You know, mostly downhill from Dodger Stadium because it starts like at Dodger Stadium for real, so it's downhill for like two miles and then makes its way through downtown LA.
Bryan Parker:And the cool thing about from my particular experience, is that I've run the Dia de los Muertos 5K in Old Town, like Olvera Street, near the mission. I have run the Firecracker, either 10K or 5K, in Chinatown I've run the like a Turkey Trot 10K, which is also downtown, and the marathon connected all those things, and so I got a little just a little, you know that like little, little familiar, ooh, like a little feeling. You come a corner and you're like, ooh, I know where I am, I know this place, like I've run here before. Uh, so I got to have that like a few times in a row, connecting all the dots between these various races that I'd run, uh, and that was encouraging for me and something to you know, something to focus on visually in those early miles, which was cool yeah, it helps, familiar remarks and you know I I think it does, but yeah and hey, if you don't like if you don't like uh big crowds, hey, feel free to join us at a trail race sometime.
Rob Myers:There's yeah, dude, you'll be at home. There's been trail races where I think I've gone like five, six miles and I haven't seen another person.
Casey Koza:Like my on the right is this yeah, yeah, sounds like you did a blast, dude and you learned. And what's next? You're going to.
Bryan Parker:You're going to knock out another one. It took me, like a, you know, four or five days a week to to, to process it and decide. But yeah, I think I could do it again. I think that I think that if I were gonna not if I were I will do it again. And I think that what I'm going to do is I'm going to take the 18 week plan that I pursued this time and just back it up to 27 weeks.
Bryan Parker:You know, just like, acknowledge that actually, maybe, I don't know I going to just give myself more time, just more recovery time. Just acknowledge that, like after a 13-mile run, like one day of recovery isn't really enough, like I'm 44. So that's okay, it's okay to be 44. And as the mileage gets up there, the way that my you know, the way that my knees feel afterwards, I just need an extra recovery day and I don't need to feel bad about that. I just need to plan for it and get back to filling in all the shorter runs in between, because what I ran into along the way was like, okay, cool, I find that the guided runs not always guided, but I find the plan for Nike Run Club to be pretty useful, pretty um, linear where it needs to be linear and and um has a nice taper and all that stuff.
Bryan Parker:And so I found that after like a 30 mile run, a 50 mile run, whatever, if I need an extra day to recover, if I just, like I ran on, you know, went for a long run on saturday, rested sunday and then I was like on a, I was like really not feeling the vibe, like really not feeling like I could run again, then I'd feel bad. I would like then, okay, now I'm skipping one of the shorter runs or one of the recovery runs or like a speed run or fartlek or something from the next week to give myself an extra recovery day. And then I'm feeling like guilty or feeling off or feeling bummed out or less than because I need the extra recovery day, but like, well, just plan for it, just give yourself extra time, give yourself a recovery day and do all the, do all the runs. You know what I mean. Let's just stretch the time out.
Casey Koza:Yeah.
Bryan Parker:Yeah.
Rob Myers:Makes sense.
Bryan Parker:That's what I'm at.
Casey Koza:We had Rachel Hopefully, I say it, tamaya check on professional trail runner, and that's one thing that she has added was every week she takes her rest day. Now yeah. Just to recover, just to keep her body. You can't just break it down every day, especially our age, like I'm 41, so we need some recovery time. That's a very nice background you have, rob. Are you trying to say something there?
Bryan Parker:No, not at all. Okay, I see we have some marketing For our listeners who don't have us on video. I'd like to describe to you some marketing materials that Rob has put down himself. It says the Canyon's Endurance Runs.
Rob Myers:Just a suggestion for the next race, brian. Let me ask you what state is that in Rob?
Bryan Parker:California.
Rob Myers:Oh.
Bryan Parker:I love California.
Rob Myers:And you live in California too, so I think it makes sense. I do.
Bryan Parker:The convenience of it.
Casey Koza:Nice little drive up the I'm sure some interstate. We have those here. Yeah, yeah, you have a lot of them. Yep, yep, we'll those here. Yeah, yeah, you have a lot of them. Yep, Yep, we'll be there. We will all be there, me, david and and Rob. So, yeah, feel, feel free to come up and join us. And I want to hit the. The Moonraker I've got. We're going to the Moonraker brewery, cause James Bond reference, I big nerd, so I gotta yeah, I need a shirt from the moonraker brewery. Is that in sacramento?
Rob Myers:uh, auburn or thereabouts yeah, auburn, that's where the race starts. Downtown auburn, cool, yeah, wonderful auburn up there in their canyons.
Bryan Parker:I need to look at the calendar. It does seem very appealing. Sweet, that'd be awesome. I believe that they have a 25k.
Casey Koza:They do, yeah I believe there's, there's, there is a 25, maybe 21k, 21 or 25, yeah, something like that. Sweet well, that'd be, that'd be sweet, right. And and one last thing um, I don't think I'm to have anyone that will go to Pantera and Amon Amarth with me, so I might need you to come out here to go with me to see Blossom.
Bryan Parker:Oh man, that's going to be fun.
Casey Koza:Yeah, they're playing Blossom. Didn't realize Pantera pit seats were $365 at Blossom, that's like Pantera. Rip Dimebag Daryl. But yeah, I yeah a little steep.
Bryan Parker:Yeah, that's pretty steep. I do not listen to Pantera, but I. They're coming through here in August. Is it about the same there, I think?
Casey Koza:July. I think. I think I want to say I asked Annie earlier.
Bryan Parker:She said July. I think, yeah, I'm gonna marth tours the states. Seldomly enough that I don't. I do not think I will be missing that tour. My buddy, caleb, is talking about going. I think we're going to get our tickets here in a little bit sweet casey.
Rob Myers:How many come up and see him? I saw pantera at blossom 25 years ago, 25 years ago with the death cones yeah, I wait.
Bryan Parker:25 years ago, dimebag daryl was still alive indeed.
Casey Koza:Wow, you saw the original lineup. Wow, yeah, yeah, that was uh I. I don't have it. I don't think I'll be annie's, not, yeah.
Bryan Parker:I showed her a video and she was like yeah, you're going to. Not so much, Casey.
Casey Koza:Yeah, she's like I'm going to sit this one out, Good luck. I got her to go see Rob Zombie with me last year.
Bryan Parker:She was a good sport, you should show her a video of I'm on a Marth when they get the whole crowd to row.
Casey Koza:Yeah.
Rob Myers:That's the most fun.
Casey Koza:Yeah, I think that's the reason she's not uh all right. Yeah, I was like what we're going to row, it's going to be fun. Sense of adventure. Yeah, yeah, put your back into the oar. Yeah, so glad you. You hooked me up with that band. Yeah, any workout I do. I listen to those guys Love it.
Bryan Parker:I love that for you. I'd like to sprinkle before we leave. I'd just like to sprinkle a couple more recommendations, if I may. Yeah, always. There's an Irish band called Saur S-A-O-R. I don't actually know how to say that, but it's cool. You know, I believe they fall under the atmospheric black metal umbrella. I umbrella I also like abysmal dawn. They're from los angeles and I'll tell you this. I will tell you this.
Bryan Parker:Oh, one thing, I ran the marathon, uh, unstoned, just so you know, I was over the whole way congratulations thank you, um, but I will tell you that on some shorter runs, the two songs that have been most clutch while running stoned. If you can get the weed to hit right when Children of the Grave starts, oh my god, that is alchemy, it's magic. And the second one is Battery by Mitzalka, and it lifts you to a different place. I highly recommend it.
Casey Koza:I will take those recommendations, like I took the last recommendation. So I always appreciate your music recommendations, brian, and I certainly appreciate you taking time out of your busy day to come talk with Rob and I here. It's been great. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah, dude, thanks a lot and best of luck on season two of the Pit, and I'll be watching. Hopefully I might be on it. I might be a consultant. Actually it's possible, rob, you heard it here first. Insert consultant.
Rob Myers:So thanks again. I appreciate you, dude. Hey Brian, where can our listeners find you?
Bryan Parker:our listeners find you. They can't.
Rob Myers:I'm I already ran past them. They can't find me at all. How about on the interwebs?
Bryan Parker:um, I mean, I don't know if they want to, but I'm, I'm. I am on instagram for now, at brian van bryan. It's mostly pictures of cats and dogs, so it's not, it's not really. Thanks a lot, man, we appreciate it thank, thanks y'all, this was fun.