The Hobby Jogger Podcast
Welcome to The Hobby Jogger Podcast, where elite athletes and ham-and-eggers lace up their stories. We explore the common ground that running creates from the world-class runner to the hobbyist hitting the pavement, trail or treadmill. Expect a blend of inspiration, laughter and the shared joy that makes every step count. Join us on this journey, where every run is a story worth sharing.
The Hobby Jogger Podcast
E25 | Grindstone 50k Recap, Laurel Highlands Fall Classic and Other Running News
Ever wondered what it’s like to run a 50K race with unexpected challenges? This week on Hobby Jogger, we recount our wild adventure at the Grindstone 50K with our friend Jason Cox. From a deceptive hornet’s nest encounter that led to a hilarious debate on bee sting benefits, to Rob's battle with a mid-race ankle injury, we’ve got stories that blend humor with the grit of ultra running. The oppressive heat and humidity only ramped up the difficulty, making the race a true test of endurance and spirit. Tune in for some laughs, lessons, and a few unexpected takeaways from this demanding course.
But the journey doesn’t stop there. We also dissect our tumultuous UTMB race day, sharing the hard-hitting reality of cramping and hydration slip-ups that led to a DNF. We break down the critical errors, like neglecting electrolyte supplies, and discuss the impact of high humidity on performance. Amid our candid reflections, we’ll critique the post-race amenities and highlight the stunning, albeit poorly organized, course. Plus, get the scoop on Camille’s Spartathlon saga and enjoy a sneak peek of our upcoming chat with Dan, the race director of the Laurel Highlands Fall Classic. And don’t miss the light-hearted moments, including a Blink-182 joke courtesy of Jason’s daughter.
Welcome to this week's episode of Hobby Jogger. We have a very special episode this week. We're going to be doing a little review of the Grindstone 50K. I have my co-host, Mr Rob Myers, with me today.
Speaker 2:Hello Rob, how are you Doing pretty good, doing pretty good out in the camper, sitting in a Cracker Barrel at the moment, so we can put together this episode. Looking forward to it.
Speaker 1:Heck, yeah, go get some of that maple syrup, it's one of my favorites. Always down for a Cracker Barrel breakfast, breakfast, for dinner, breakfast all the time is what I say. And today we are joined by a friend of ours, mr Jason Cox, who was out at Grindstone with us, did some camping with us. Jason, how are you Doing well? Doing well? How are you doing? Gents, hanging in there? I survived Akron Marathon Day. That was today. I live at mile 23 and a half, so it's awesome. You can see some explosions, a lot of carnage right there, some projectile vomit onto the street right outside. Brilliant, brilliant.
Speaker 1:Yes, pretty cool, did you get some pictures? I try not to take pictures because I wouldn't want someone taking a picture of me doing it.
Speaker 2:But you're not running, so you can take a picture. I'll never see it, no definitely never see it.
Speaker 1:No, didn't take any pictures. Just sat down there, drank some beers and watched the carnage unfold. And yeah, there was plenty of carnage today in the Acron Marathon. So very cool, very cool.
Speaker 2:So yeah, we just got back from.
Speaker 1:Grindstone. I thought it was a good race. Jason. Rob, what were your feelings of the Grindstone 50K?
Speaker 2:A little different than yours, 50k, a little different than yours, jc, a little different than yours. We started out the same feeling, pretty good, uh. So just to kind of lay it out, at least, uh, the portion of the course that I was running, uh, able to run what about three and a half miles of road from the start and then probably one of the gnarliest climbs I've ever been on, all the way up to the ridge. That was pretty good. Uh, enjoyed that huffing and puffing at the top and some time on the ridge, the single track, very technical, right casey, just like you warned me yeah, maybe don't.
Speaker 1:Yeah, don't listen to me because I I actually got on that and I was like damn, I forgot how tough this was. Yeah, it's a little bit rockier than I remember.
Speaker 2:To your defense, casey you were running in the middle of a hurricane last year.
Speaker 3:I listened to the episode where you mentioned that it was. I thought you said it was all downhill, it was an easy, it was a very runnable track, right Well?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah, maybe my course descriptions aren't the best, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, but I did. I did hit that section. I did kind of feel bad. It's just like man, I think. I told him this section was nice and it was pretty rocky. It was, yeah, it was a little rooty, rocky. I passed a hornet's nest, got stung. There were a lot of nests. There were a lot of nests out there.
Speaker 1:I only saw the one. I kept my head down and just kind of plowed through it, got stung, took one on the leg. That leg actually felt a lot better. So maybe we'll have like a bee expert on or something to explain why my left leg wasn't sore but my right was. I think maybe we talked about that a little bit afterwards, Right, Rob?
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're starting that new business venture Remember.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like getting stung the healing tent release a ton of hornets and you come out the other side feeling better Recovery bees, recovery bees, yeah, and the recovery tent we're still working on the name Name will come to us.
Speaker 1:I feel like but yeah, yeah, a little tougher course than I remembered, the climb a little bit steeper, a little bit longer than I remembered, especially towards the top, and then it got rocky at the top. The down hill I thought was pretty nice, that was smooth and runnable.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I enjoyed that. So, Rob, you mentioned the first, what three or four miles was road. But then after about aid station one, there was a mountain bike track there right Trail Going into aid station two there was a mountain bike trail and that was actually very runnable and it was. It was a. I enjoyed that part portion of the race. But then coming out of aid station two it was all uphill. So I think you know, I looked at my watch and I think most of the elevation gain was probably after aid station two.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure, there was that for sure. That was a long, long long climb. And yeah, it was a lot hotter than I remember being in the hurricane. That definitely played a large factor too. It was very humid, dew point, high dew point. We don't like dew point here at the.
Speaker 2:Hoppy Jogger, it was warm, that's for sure. Yeah, so after the first climb, running on the ridge, feeling good and I'm just telling my story. You know casey, jason and very different stories, but jason and I were running together for a period of time and jason, uh, felt like pulling ahead a little bit. So he got ahead of me and I have my trusty poles with me. I'm on the track feeling pretty good, even though it's really really hot. And I put my left pole down and all of a sudden it sinks into the ground really really far left ankle rolls. I'm in pain, get back up. Now things change. Now I'm slowing down and I'm just kind of limping along. Eventually I make it to the aid station station, but casey, jason, you guys were way ahead of me jason I.
Speaker 1:I how far ahead of rob were you?
Speaker 3:so I I don't actually. So I heard later that, um, we came through the aid station I think it might have been number two, uh, and I think I was 20 minutes ahead, but like that's what I was saying earlier. So I was, I had a really good pace. I had about probably about a 12 for myself. Anyway, it was probably about a 12, 1230 pace going into aid station too. Yeah, I think it was maybe 20 minutes. I think I had.
Speaker 3:I had it by 20 minutes which is actually not you know not terribly fast considering you, you got your ankle in a hole there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Rolled ankles, Tom, so I'm in the back of the pack. Jason, you go through aid station two. Casey, I don't know where you are. You're probably already past aid station three. You can probably see the finish line. You're so far ahead of us. But, Jason, what happened after aid station two?
Speaker 3:So after aid station two, um, I was feeling pretty good coming out of it, and then during that climb, um, yeah. So that's where I started to slow down this time around. So I've done four of these now for four ultras. So I'm fairly new to the ultra running, ultra trail running. But this time around what I wanted to do was I wanted to make sure that I stayed hydrated, but instead of putting water in my pack, I use the electrolytes that they had at the aid station, which I think might have been a bad move. I should probably just had water, because I started cramping up real bad. I think the the I had a salt tab after I started cramping up after that first climb. Usually the salt tabs they they take away my cramps almost instantly, but this time around it was a no-go. So, uh, I think we had, I think, the largest climb. Do you know what the elevation gain was after that second aid station? I think it. It was a lot right after aid station.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's like a. It's pretty significant. I'm not sure on the exact, but I I got it's like 5500 total. I think is what I ended up getting on my watch. And that's a pretty significant portion of because it's really three climbs is the whole race that first first big one that's pretty steep, and then that middle one which is very long. The bottom part wasn't steep, which was pretty nice. Let me see if I can pull it up here.
Speaker 3:Yeah. So I wasn't able to stop the cramping after that climb after the second aid station, so it got pretty, got pretty bad. And uh, what time I came into aid station three. So I was, I Rob, what, what? Uh, what time did you get into aid station two?
Speaker 2:So I don't remember too, but I think it was maybe 15, 20 minutes before aid station two cut off.
Speaker 3:Okay, before the cutoff Okay, yeah, so. So I came in. I came in just before the cutoff for aid station three, but again I blew up. My, my, uh, I was cramping up real bad.
Speaker 1:Well, tough day tough day for the cramping, for sure, cause, like I said, the humidity my hamstrings were feeling it going up the last climb, like I was starting to, it was starting to get to me. I actually did make a mistake. I cause I take four bottles of basically electrolytes tailwind with me to two in the pack that are not filled and I guess somehow, when I, when I cleaned out my pack, one of them I didn't even use, so that probably was not the thing to do I pulled out, I guess the used one and refilled it with water with no electrolytes and no tailwind in it. Which what do I use? Like 37 grams of carbs for it. So, yeah, that was not good for a hot day like that and that probably explains why the cramping started for me towards the end. Yeah, you know, you change something up, jason. That's what we do as runners. We always change stuff on race day and sometimes it works and most of the time it doesn't.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and, like I said, I'm not sure. I'm not sure exactly what happened, but normally what I do is that once I get up after that first aid station, I usually just fill the pack with water. Uh, but this time around, every time I took a sip, I just felt more thirsty. So I don't know if it was the heat, um, just, it was one of those races, just didn't have it in me today or that day.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, kind of a bummer, but it might maybe it was that, uh, so we did it, we kind of we didn't talk about this, but we did a low country boil the night before and nothing to do with the boil. The boil was great. No, it was great. I'm not blaming it on the boil. Yeah, but we did get a special prize that that day jason, first prize we've ever received in that category, and that is a dnf.
Speaker 3:So we did not finish, nope I was trying, I was trying to avoid that accept it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my ego is still crushed by that dnf, but uh, we'll recover with the next one. That is the end of the race for jason and I. It was aid station three, so let's talk about casey's glory.
Speaker 1:Take it away, casey well, I gotta say that that is a. It's an unnecessarily tight cutoff because after aid station three, you're still on the same exact course with the hundred mile and 100k, so they're not shutting down any aid stations. You know what I mean. Like there's not a, you can have a little bit longer, and it is. Now that I remember it's a little bit fresher in my mind.
Speaker 1:It is a pretty tough course, like I just looked it up, and it's a 5.77 mile climb with 1900 feet of elevation gain, so that's 6.6% grade. I did my math right? I don't think I did. We're not math experts here, we're hobby joggers. If I did it correctly though, that's a long, that's a big, that's a lot. I feel like the cutoff was. It was very aggressive. I yeah, I think I executed everything as well as I could and I didn't negative split. I wanted to, but I came very, very close. This is the first time I've come that close to negative splitting a 50k. It's a little bit tougher than 10 mile race to do. I think I've got some things figured out for one. I actually use the stuff that I bring onto the course with me would help. I think that would be so generally, if you bring it, you should use it. We'll work on that for the next one. Hopefully things go better out at Canyons in that regard.
Speaker 1:Overall, I know UTMB has taken a little bit of heat, some of it rightfully so, some of it not my biggest complaint and I actually filled out the race survey. Did you fill out the race survey afterwards? I did it just so I could complain about the food truck that they had. That was the whole. I went through the entire. It was pretty long. It was like five minutes to fill out. I usually won't do anything that's longer than like a minute or two, but I actually filled out the entire thing just so I could tell them how bad the food truck was. They only had a corn dog food truck at the finish line.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and when you finish a race, you need to have good food. Right, you want a beer, you want a burger, you want a couple of hot dogs, not just a corndog and it was a mediocre corndog, if I'm being honest, and it was 10 bucks 10 bucks for a corndog.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when you're paying food truck prices, it better be good. I can't imagine you couldn't get, because I know some fruit I'm in the food industry so I know some food truck owners and operators and I just can't imagine you couldn't get a better one with a captive market, like you had there at the finish line of a race, out in the middle of nowhere, because there's what is it? 20 minutes to the nearest place to eat afterwards. I'm not the RD, I did not organize it. I hate to complain because I would never want to be in that situation to have to organize all that, but I feel like that's something that could have easily been fixed. Was the food truck situation? The food truck situation and the cutoff time? I feel like those are two easy fixes Now it was a beautiful course.
Speaker 2:I agree too. I was pretty much hiking it towards the end, so I got to see quite a bit of it. Beautiful course, I mean. The park is amazing, the chimneys are amazing not the best put on by utmb, in my opinion. The other races I've I've run a little bit better. That said, I've only done a handful of them. The ones out west seem to have just a little more behind them.
Speaker 1:I get it. It's kind of a remote spot, you're not really near. I mean, we have no. If you didn't have your star length, we have no cell server. Well, jason did Jason at cell service, we did not have so much longer conversation. I did, yeah, much longer conversation, but yeah, overall, I mean I thought it was everything else I thought was pretty well. Like the course could have been marked a little bit better. The 50 K turn was like kind of abrupt and I could see how people could miss it. Or I can see how a hundred and we did see some hundred Ks that took it but shouldn't have I can see that like maybe post someone up there to let people know for a little bit like not the worst idea, but again, I'm not the RD, I just, you know, maybe nitpicking.
Speaker 1:Overall we had a lot of fun.
Speaker 2:We did have a lot of fun.
Speaker 1:We had the boil. Jason put on the boil, which is part of why we like doing these is just hang out with our friends.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I really enjoyed doing and sharing that with you guys too, because that was good. One thing I will say is that the campsite was really nice. It was one of the nicer campsites I've ever been to. That was a plus.
Speaker 2:And it really was. It was a beautiful course. So Canyons is next, and I think both of you will be there, so I'm looking forward to that one.
Speaker 1:I am registered, jason, you registered, I am, I am, I have Will trying to get me to register for the Big Alta as well. So maybe we'll do, maybe we'll do two this this this spring. I I don't know that I can handle it, but we'll maybe give it a go, we'll see. Uh, there is one thing I we should probably discuss. I don't know if either of you two saw it. Uh, the wikipedia controversy. Did either of you see that, rob?
Speaker 2:yeah, dug into it quite as much as you have. Why don't you, uh, give us an update on the details?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean I don't, I wouldn't say I followed it too much. I just saw a blip of what it is.
Speaker 1:Ms Camille Heron allegedly I guess we should definitely say allegedly, because allegedly, maybe supposedly, she was caught editing Wikipedia entries of other runners and to me that is very petty, tom petty. But she took a lot of heat for it. I don't know, I just my personal opinion of her is, and you have to be, to be an athlete at that level, you have to be some kind of way, you have to be wired a little bit differently, like things aren't gonna look like she goes out onto a track and runs for six straight days. I'm not gonna do that, rob jason. I imagine you two aren't gonna do that, right, not yet, no. So you have to be like a little bit different, like I don't know. I just now part of me kind of feels a little bit bad for like people piling on like it's done, it's done. Hopefully she gets a little bit of help.
Speaker 1:But it's also a good point that why we shouldn't look up to athletes or put them on a pedestal, because oftentimes we don't really know how they are any athlete. And that's why one of the reasons I don't root for athletes unless I know them, like even pro sports. You know I could sit there, I go to the tottenham hotspur bar. I don't know any of the play. Well, I know who harry kane is because annie thinks he's really good looking and she always reminds me that he's really good looking, so I know him. But other than that, like I just, I don't know I because you don't know them. So I just, I just root for the teams and I like to watch the sports, but I think it's probably a good reminder that we're all just out here jogging around a mountain, a track or whatever. It's not that serious, I get it. Some people make a living doing this. Let them be serious about it. Maybe not to the point where we edit each other's wikipedia articles to remove fluff.
Speaker 2:Everyone deserves their day in court casey. I still feel bad for a little bit yeah, that's that's they do.
Speaker 1:But I'm not the court. I've seen the evidence. I am the jury. Yeah, part of me does feel bad for it because, like I said, when you're wired to run for six straight days, you're probably taking those wires from another part of your brain to connect into that, and that's probably the part of the brain that would be like hey, maybe we shouldn't edit Wikipedia articles because they have things called IP addresses and such that can definitely track us. But yeah, that's my two cents on it. I don't know, jason, you have any thoughts on editing competitors Wikipedia articles?
Speaker 3:So this was news to me. So no, I you know, somebody can go in there and put an entry in for myself and you can put anything in there if you want. So it's no, I didn't. I wasn't aware of this. This was news to me now here's a.
Speaker 1:Here's a question I have for you, jason, because you're I mean, you're like us, you're hobby joggers, but you're not into like the scene, I guess, quite as much as we are. Do you know who Camille Heron is?
Speaker 3:Actually, no, I don't think I've ever heard of Camille Heron.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's like in a lot, most people have it because she, she's a very niche part of a niche sport, like, like I said, running around a track for six days at a time. It's. It's a tough sport to watch, to do that Like I doubt the stream gets a lot of viewers for six straight days. It's not UTMB, it's not, you know, even Western States, which is tough to watch for 14, 15 hours, I think. So, yeah, that's that. I hope Camille makes amends with the community and, hey, the sport needs a bad boy, bad girl, bad whatever, and maybe she'll fill that role. That kind of gives a little bit better storyline for people to talk about going forward. We wish her well, right, rob?
Speaker 1:We do Put a positive spin at the end there right, maybe she'll come on the show for her redemption tour. You think she should. She'd be number one on the list. Well, she did DNFf at the spartathlon today. Uh, unfortunately never want to see anyone dnf. You guys know that.
Speaker 2:So so about, uh, last week's podcast with dj. I mean that was amazing. That guy's an animal what he was able to accomplish. I've gone back and listened to that podcast a couple times.
Speaker 1:I mean just amazing yeah, that's a, that's a cool dude there.
Speaker 1:That's the kind of guy you know a couple of them, people like that around you, that just they have their sights set on something. They're so determined and you absolutely know, no matter what happens, they are going to finish it. And yeah, it was pretty cool to hear him just talk about. You know, failed the year before, but hey, I'm going to come back and I'm going to learn from my mistakes. I'm going to make some adjustments and do things a little bit better the next time. And yeah, awesome story. Dj gave us Really cool how he walks us through. Like I said, we could have done probably three hours on the whole thing. There were so many stories we could have got into and little things.
Speaker 2:After many hours of editing, it's still our longest podcast. I mean, there was so much good content, we had to stop cutting. I mean I think the final length was an hour and 15 minutes. That's still our longest podcast, and we started out with two hours and 20 minutes, so it was just a great storyteller. It was hard to find something to cut out. I mean, it just works so well together. So to your point, yeah, it could have been a three-part series, but we don't have that much time here.
Speaker 1:No, we don't, we definitely don't. And yeah, it could have been a lot longer. I know we had to leave some good stuff on the editing floor, but that's what happens. You got to try and make it as consumable product as possible. And my friend Christine was very upset that we didn't get to talk about her divorce on the show. I I had to let her know that we had to cancel that section out. She was very upset, so maybe we'll get that in there some other time. We'll find a home for it. Perfect, chrissy, we got the clip. Don't worry, it will be aired at some point. That's good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and up next week we got another good show coming up my favorite race, the one we often refer to on this show, the laurel highlands, which now has a fall classic which runs backwards, which is awesome, maybe one of the tougher courses, 50k courses out there, running backwards, and we get to talk to the race director, dan. That'll be a good conversation as well. I've not yet. I guess we don't film it, since we audio record it. We have not yet recorded the show, but knowing Dan and knowing the kind of content that we've talked about before with him will be another great show Can't wait to hear about the fall classic out at Laurel Highlands Beautiful area this time of year.
Speaker 2:I look forward to the Laurel Highlands every year. I mean, Ohio pile is just a amazing little town. That whole area is beautiful. How many times have you run?
Speaker 1:Laurel at this point. Casey, Three straight years of either being in the relay I've done the 50K the last two years. Maybe next year we get Jason to come up take a little trip. Jason, leave the kids at home. Well, the littlest one can come, Leave the oldest one at home, please.
Speaker 1:Yes, You're listening to the FM radio on the way home, right Gosh yeah, I took the most severe burn of my life ever and it was awesome. I was so happy about it. First off, your daughter's hysterical, absolutely hysterical. I simply asked Jason's daughter have you heard of Blink-182? Looks me dead in the eye, completely deadpan. We don't listen to radio.
Speaker 2:Well, she's not wrong. I mean they are played on the FM radio.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they are and I was just like, wow, I'm just going to go crawl in my Sleeping quarters here and just that's it for me. How you doing keep it moving. So yeah, brutal, brutal takedown by a 12 year old, like it's ego was savagely, savagely ripped apart well, we'll leave.
Speaker 3:We'll leave that one at home.
Speaker 1:We'll leave her at home yeah, we'll just, yeah, leave her at home, bring the younger one. She just leave her at home, bring the younger one. She's very nice. Yeah, she's yeah, the oldest one. Not welcome, not welcome anymore. Well, what I'm hoping is she actually shares this with all of her friends and they all like and subscribe to the show.
Speaker 2:Always thinking one step ahead, casey, I love it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Her getting some acclaim for tearing down some poor 40-year-old guy. We'll tell Eleanor to be a little nicer next time.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, which also shout out to Jason for naming his daughter after the gone in 60 seconds car. I thought that was awesome. Yes, yes, an important thing of the trip, jason, did the wife and kids have fun on the trip?
Speaker 3:Yes, yes, they did. They had a blast, they really did enjoy themselves.
Speaker 1:So you know I don't have children, but it does seem like if you're going to do an ultra, that is a very good place to do it, with the campground. You know they have. You know you're going camping with the family. You're gone for you know six, nine hours, whatever, while you run it. It seems like a pretty cool overall family activity for someone that likes to run ultras and has kids.
Speaker 3:That's like I said too. The facilities were really nice, so they did enjoy it. There were a lot of games of Uno and they got a chance to relax and read books, and they did enjoy the chimney rocks there, so that was great Nice.
Speaker 1:That's good to hear. Yeah, I enjoyed seeing them. The boil is something that should be a staple from now on from any ultra, I think we do.
Speaker 2:We got to have a boil, I think, rob. What do you think? Yes, so Jason, tell us what a low country boil is and how one would put together a low country boil.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so you basically get the biggest pot you can find. It depends on how many people you're going to, you're going to feed, but it's designed to be shared with a lot of people. So it's outdoors, outdoor cooking. You get yourself a pot burner largest pot you can find fill it with water and really the only seasoning that you use that we, that I use, is Old Bay seasoning. So probably about a cup of Old Bay seasoning and then you just start filling it with filling the pot once you bring it to a boil, with just the food that you have around. So we used potatoes, corn onions, kielbasa, spicy and smoked sausage and shrimp. So before I came up to Virginia I made sure to stop at the local fishmonger and get some local shrimp cleaned it, because traditionally you don't have to clean it, you can just do a peel and eat style. But for the Northerners I was a little nicer. I said I'm going to clean these shrimp for y'all Appreciate that we appreciate that.
Speaker 1:I thought you would.
Speaker 3:I thought you would. So, yeah, you just start that boil, you do the probably potatoes first and then the 10 minutes, then add your onions and kielbasa another 10 minutes and then the corn 10 minutes probably and then at the very end, you just add that shrimp, because it doesn't take long, and then, once you're done there, you pour it out onto a table right. So just start digging in with your hands. You can use a plate if you want. Again, it's designed to be family style everyone in eat with your hands and it was a big hit.
Speaker 3:I think people, because we started that boil as the 100 mile racers were starting to get to go to the finish line and everyone was kind of like, oh man, we could smell it all across the campsite, right. So it was. It was a really big hit. We invited the campsite hosts over to take part in our boil with us. So, yeah, but I, rob, I agree with you, I think that might be the finisher next time, right? The only reason why I wanted to start it before the race was because the shrimp was fresh.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't think you just hold on to shrimp very long. I feel like they have a very yeah, but some people do crab too.
Speaker 3:I mean, you can do crab or crawfish, whatever the local crustacean.
Speaker 1:It was crab or crawfish, whatever the local um crustacean. It was quite tasty. Maybe we'll do pierogies.
Speaker 3:We'll throw some pierogies in there, let's see how that is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so yeah, that was. It was an eventual trip, it was fun, I had a blast, I had a great time, had some bad storms roll through.
Speaker 2:That was even pretty cool, that's always a good part of the story.
Speaker 1:You know it can't control the weather and it's uh, yeah, we had a great time. I part of what the running community is. It's a good part of the story. You know it can't control the weather and it's uh, yeah, we had a great time. I part of what the running community is. It's a big part of what the running community is being able to go out to these events and just hang out with people. That's how I met Jason for the first time. He just we both showed up to black Canyon and, hey man, what's up, dude, how are you? Yeah, nice to meet you. Now we go to Virginia together. So that's really cool of the scene, of what running community for sure is Absolutely. This wraps up our episode of this week's Hobby Jogger and Friends. Jason Cox. Thank you so much for joining the show. We certainly appreciate your time.
Speaker 3:Absolutely Say hello to the family for us except Eleanor Will do Thanks. Thanks, jess, for having me. It was great, really enjoyed spending time with you out on the trail and looking forward to the next and, yeah, so appreciate it.
Speaker 1:Yep, we'll see you in Auburn, california, in April. Looking forward to it, rob, as always. Thank you so much, sir Casey have a great evening.
Speaker 2:We will talk soon.