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E21 | Recapping UTMB with Jeremy Pope & Wil Walmsley
Join us for a special episode of the Hobby Jogger podcast where we welcome back Will Walmsley and Jeremy Pope to recap UTMB.
Thank you for joining us for this special edition of the Hobby Jogger podcast, which we have dubbed with my co-host here, rob Myers. As Hobby Jogger and Friends, rob, how are you today?
Speaker 2:I'm doing well, looking forward to this unique episode.
Speaker 1:Yep, we are joined by two former well, a former guest and co-host and a former co-host Mr will walmsley and mr jeremy poper, joining us today hey, what's going on?
Speaker 3:happy to be here howdy jeremy.
Speaker 1:Well, good to see you. Thanks for coming on. Today we're going to be reviewing the action over the weekend from the utmb uh, which I, I guess, will. Would you say that it's the default world championships?
Speaker 3:Yeah for 50K, 100k and 100-mile distances. Definitely be a championship weekend for that and trail running.
Speaker 1:That's what I thought, so I'm going to go through a quick list of you know winners. Some disappointment, obviously, obviously. Anytime you are gonna have trail running, there's gonna be disappointment as well. Starting out with the OCC, however, former guest of the show and friend of the show, eli Hemming, took the OCC crown. Did you get a chance to watch that, jeremy?
Speaker 4:oh, oh, absolutely. I mean, I think Eli just led wire to wire, am I right?
Speaker 1:I believe he did Didn't have great coverage for the OCC compared to, I think, the CCC and UTMB. But yeah. I know his better half, Tabor, unfortunately DNF'd, slipped, had some issues, injury possibly and was leading, so that was pretty exciting to see. I mean it happens, you go out hard, things don't work out your way.
Speaker 3:but it's been incredible for that couple, both of them getting first in the biggest 50k in the world yeah, it's a fast couple right there.
Speaker 1:There's, uh, you know, such a big stage. Hats off to them. Um, and rob, did you get a chance to watch?
Speaker 2:I did, I did and is it just me or that Eli really didn't get that much shine, you know, for coming in first place listening to Free Trail, I didn't hear his name mentioned one time. I mean, you know, I don't want to be a hater, but at the same time it's pretty huge. I mean people should be talking about Eli.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I kind of get a little bit surprised by that. He's obviously become a superstar of the sport. He's won quite a few races this year Black Canyon, Canyons, 50K, now the World Championship. I mean he is definitely at the top. He won Big Alta as well, definitely top of the sport. Hopefully, you know, is sponsored by Adidas T-Rex, so someone has noticed him and I notice him, so you know.
Speaker 2:A hundred percent. Come on Will. Nobody was talking about him.
Speaker 3:I mean there were a couple posts, but everything with UTMB it just moves so fast from one to the next. As soon as OCC is done, I mean the next day you have CCC and UTMB starting. Yeah, it's incredible. But if we look at last year, compared to Stian Augerman, who won OCC last year, I felt Stian got more publicity than Eli did. So if we're comparing to that, yeah, he did not get enough publicity for how great of a performance he had.
Speaker 1:And fellow Adidas Terex athlete, danny Moreno, did finish sixth top American woman. Good, another solid performance by Danny. So women's race was, I thought, excellent 50k. I think it was overshadowed a bit though for the by the ccc. Uh, tony mcconn, adidas terex athlete, adidas really coming on as of late, uh, in the sponsorship world I guess, so to speak, team racing, if that's. Is that a thing now? Will Jeremy?
Speaker 3:It should be. That'd be awesome if it was. I mean, you say it's coming on, but then for like the men's uh UTMB they didn't have anyone in the top 10, but no, they're athletes that did place in top 10. All did really really well.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I would agree. I think it'd be cool to just see more of like a team component, maybe Like let's put Hoka against Adidas against Nike. Maybe there's Brooks in there.
Speaker 3:And against the unsponsored runners as well.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I think it'd be cool. Yeah, unsponsored runners had a heck of a weekend as well. We'll get to that at the main event here, but I know we had talked about it, will and Jeremy the team aspect of running and kind of how it could correlate to I know, like motocross racing, bmx racing, they also have team points. Where, say you know, tony McCann wins the CCC, that's worth 100 points to the team standings. I'm not even though I am Polish, I'm not going to try and pronounce her last name From Hoka, the second in the CCC. So that gets them 50 points in the team stands. I think it'd be pretty interesting to make a team aspect out of an individual sport like that. Maybe give the bigger companies something to work towards by having a more well-rounded team.
Speaker 3:I'm wondering if that would lead to fewer DNFs, more pressure on like hey, you got to finish. We can't have people dropping races.
Speaker 4:More scoring, yeah, more of a scoring aspect, or it's like maybe you're 25th but you're still the fifth runner or something.
Speaker 1:I think that'd be cool yeah, and you still have to battle to get you know, I guess what they call it there is factory points. That's true. Um, yeah, there would be pressure on you especially, yeah, because I know, um, when I raced bmx I, I was sponsored and went down in a pretty bad crash and, like, the team owner was like, uh, look, kid, we need you out there. You know, we have a team as well.
Speaker 1:Like, you got to go race the third moto you know, hurt or not, and I had to go out there and I don't think I did very good, but yeah that's a. That's an interesting point. That could be a lot more pressure from the sponsors to make guys and women finish.
Speaker 3:So and then I also wonder too, like the team aspect, for like the professional athletes see adidas terex their athletes all seem really closely knit, talking about being like best friends with each other, like tony mccann, dana moreno, you know, I see them running together on some of their other adidas teammates, but I don't know if I necessarily get that camaraderie from other teams. But maybe a team dynamic might start getting that.
Speaker 1:We noticed that when we went out to Western States, for sure, all the Adidas Tareks runners were crewing for each other. It really did seem like they really had a team aspect versus any other team.
Speaker 3:All they're cheering on Ingle Kasper and Danny and Tony paced her.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I believe I talked to our guy. Simone Gosselin had a little bit of an issue. I did talk to Tony a bit about it, so she was definitely there pacing someone I don't know you probably know better who than me. Engveld, engveld, yeah, mm-hmm. Well, moving on to the men's 100-kilometer race, the CCC. Pretty exciting race. Hayden Hawks Team Hoka Wins Again. I believe, that was his second year in a row correct.
Speaker 3:Will Jeremy Not in a row? No, no, john Alban won it last year and Peter Engdahl won it before that, but he won it, I want to say, like 2017. And that was like his coming.
Speaker 1:You know the age kind of uh moment for him back then. Yeah, pretty, pretty awesome performance. Uh, definitely a tough race. I mean anytime you're on 100 kilometers it's gonna be tough. But second half of that, what ultimately what I think it becomes, what the second half of the utmb course, correct or just about?
Speaker 3:I believe so. I think it starts in Cormier.
Speaker 1:It might go up a bit higher, I think, than UTMB goes. They were talking about it a little bit, but I'm not going to get hung up on that what were your guys' thoughts on?
Speaker 3:it seemed to me like pretty much all of the top Americans chose CCC, even with having golden tickets to Western states. I mean they already have automatic entry back here, being like top 10.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Jeremy, what do you think about that? Because you're the one that I mean you've run more 100 miles than any of us. Well, since none of us have, and more hundred K at that distance, what do you think the thinking is behind that? Just real tough to turn around from Western States to run a hundred miles again.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I would say maybe the idea is that golden ticket right, that's one piece. And then, let's be honest, utmb is a lot to chew on, right, like it's just not your average hundred. So maybe you know, I think CCC probably runs like it's more of a hundred miler, you know, like more of a hundred mile effort, rather than UTMB where it's, I mean you're going to be pretty banged up from that thing. Utmb where it's, I mean you're going to be pretty banged up from that thing. But yeah, I feel like I mean we had three Americans in the top 10. Hayden, adam, both on the podium, and then you had Dakota Jones sliding in at ninth. Pretty impressive really.
Speaker 3:And then another handful of Americans just outside the top 10. Yeah, rod and those guys One thing I was going to note and then another handful of Americans just outside the top 10.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so Rod and those guys. One thing I was going to note from OCC and CCC there were only there was no Frenchman in the top 10 of OCC and just one in CCC. 10th place for OCC. Yeah, and it's like they kind of dominate the UMP 100 mile. So that's an interesting piece.
Speaker 2:I know a lot of folks online were comparing CCC to Western States as far as the amount of time it takes not the mileage, but time just kind of proves that the uh utmb course is just that much harder.
Speaker 3:They're like 10 or 11 hours for ccc, whereas you're looking at like 14 and a half 15 hours for your top people at western I guess it's more truth in the elevation, though, like the difference in elevation, or I would say, comparing the two yeah, the elevation would be similar. You're talking 17 000 versus like 20 000.
Speaker 1:Okay, as we found out, the heat's a lot different. Uh, brutally hot at western states. That is soul-sucking at times. I would say I hats off to people that run it. Uh, jeremy, I know you're, how many tickets do you have for next year? I have uh, 64, it's a lot. It's a lot of tickets. Damn, it's a good amount of 64 on to the main event, which was utmb, will real quick what is utmb?
Speaker 3:it is the uh creme de la creme, top of the game most competitive ultra trail 100 mile race in the world. It's actually a little bit longer, about 106, 107 miles. Starts in france, run through three countries around the tallest mountain in the Alps, mont Blanc, and that's UTMB's championship 100-mile race.
Speaker 1:It is the big one, it is the main event Won this year by Vincent Bouliard Will. We got a chance to talk to him after the Gorge 100K Rob, you were there as well, correct Was. Got a chance to talk to him after the gorge 100k rob you were there as well, correct was and got a chance to meet. Miss on, we did will and I had previous well.
Speaker 1:Well, you've met him you know, him, but we got to see him out there crush the gorge, 100k or so he. He did come in as I I guess unknown. He wasn't unknown to me. I did pick him in my top 10. I was one of only 10 people who had him in the their free trail top 10. And where did you have him in your top 10? I had him exactly 10th and off. Yeah, I was. It's about the only thing. I was close on all day defending my title belt. Uh, I did not go down swinging. I went out with a meek murmur as I was not close on much of anything.
Speaker 3:I mean he went out with, like the rest of the elite men's field yeah, yeah, I was, uh, yeah I was.
Speaker 1:We were dropping like flies um. I think that I believe the first one to drop was. I believe he's Dmitry Mityaev of.
Speaker 3:Russia. Yeah, dmitry.
Speaker 1:Mityaev Mityaev. Yes, my apologies if I mispronounce any names.
Speaker 3:Quadzilla have you ever seen that guy running that dude's jacked? Yeah, like his legs are just ripped Massive.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe you have a little bit more insight, will, jeremy? What do you think the reason for all the, the? I don't want to say blow ups, just drops this year were Any insight.
Speaker 4:I don't know. I mean, it sounded like it was warm, but it wasn't. It seemed to be the men versus the women. Right, the women. There were not the drops that the men had.
Speaker 3:It seemed more coincidental to me. I don't think they went out too fast and pushed the pace. I mean you had Arthur and one other Chinese runner that went out with him, had Arthur and one other Chinese runner that went out with him, but otherwise he had like a group of 30 plus men all run pretty well together and I think it was just kind of coincidence for everybody. I haven't looked at the reasoning for everybody why they dropped. I know my brother. When he dropped at Cormier he came into the race with a sprained ACL and tried to give it a go and then all of a sudden it just got very problematic for him and nothing to do with like race conditions or GI issues, which would typically be the reasons why someone drops. But yeah, very odd that like pretty much everyone's picks for fantasy all dropped, like guys that have consistently been or top 10 multiple times in a row outside Ludo Pomerantz, all the other people like dropped from the race.
Speaker 1:I I will say that I was absolutely, 100%, most convinced of Ludovic being in the top 10. That was my smash lock. If I had to pick one person of the 20 picks to be in the top 10, if I got to wager on it, I would have picked Ludo to finish. That would have been Ludo. I think he just figured a lot of stuff out over the years and props to him. But yeah, he's always a solid pick.
Speaker 3:Aging like a fine French wine.
Speaker 2:Just running away from it how old is he? He's like what?
Speaker 3:49? 49 and finished fifth overall Dude and earlier set the course record for Hard Rock. Beat Killian Jornet's course record Phenomenal.
Speaker 1:Yep Didn't even wasn't even crazy. Yeah, yeah, finished fifth I and I like how he runs it too. He was just looking at the placings. He was as far back as 45th place at the uh, the fly zone at notre dame, at de la gorge, it just just kind of grinds through the race. Oh, 47th at LeBron, so the ball may be well unfortunate your brother. You know he was my pick to win. If he's in it, I'm going to pick them. Sucks with the knee but lived to fight it.
Speaker 3:I think seeing Vincent win cause that's one of Jim's best friends Like if Jim's going to drop, it was almost like this is the best possible thing that could have happened. Like his buddy that has gone and crewed for him at so many different races was at Jim's wedding you know Vincent's from Annecy, so pretty local to the Alps, and he hasn't done many races and just watching him come out and know her first time doing UTMB just absolutely crushed it. And like we're talking about all the elites dropping and Vincent's time unsponsored runner and still ran sub 20. I think it was. I'd have to look, but that's right up there with Zach Miller's time last year. And did you guys see how much he won by? Um, it was like 40 minutes.
Speaker 4:It was actually less. He was 1954 and then Baptiste was 2022.
Speaker 1:28 minutes, yeah, still the most humble guy.
Speaker 3:If you watch his interviews so humble, so 28 minutes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, still, I mean the most humble guy if you watch his interviews. So humble, oh yeah, to the point where, like I wish, you would just acknowledge what he just did. You know, he's almost too, humble.
Speaker 3:I could talk about Vince on for a long time. Just such a great person. It can be happier for him.
Speaker 4:Awesome. It sounded like he literally had like everyone in his family at the finish line, like it was kind of mind-boggling for himself really yeah, I mean just a quick train ride, I guess for them, you know, anywhere on the course.
Speaker 1:So that was that, you know. Awesome to see. Yeah, super nice guy, one of the just nicest people I've met. Uh, him and his, is it his wife will?
Speaker 4:camilla camilla.
Speaker 1:Yep, just super nice people, you know. Saw him over in france, saw him up in portland yeah, I mean shoot.
Speaker 3:When we were there in 2022, casey, they were going and driving my parents around the course.
Speaker 1:That's cool yeah. I remember that, yeah, yeah, vincent took on uh yeah, joan and Harry, duties and that was. You know that's got had to be a huge, you know burden I don't want to say burden, but the huge task that you know, you and your, your brother didn't have to, or or your sister have to, you know, take them around and they volunteered to handle the parents.
Speaker 3:Because that's you know, it's always stressful when you have, you know, mom and dad come out and want to watch. It's not an easy task either. I mean that's driving them around for 20 hours. It's a lot of driving, it is just one little trip, it's.
Speaker 2:It's now. You're driving around non-stop so casey our fans really want to know. You know you were the free trail champion last year. How did you make out this year?
Speaker 1:529th place. Okay, I think I picked. I think I I had more people DNF than finish. Always next year, always next year 1,001 DNFs.
Speaker 4:total 1,760 finishers.
Speaker 1:Friend of the show, Andrew Glaze did get a finish.
Speaker 4:Finisher Nice.
Speaker 1:I got to say, while we're talking about the utmb, the best race report I saw and I'm probably gonna butcher her name, but it was hilarious. Uh, foodzow, yang do we think that's correct? Yeah, who's out? Uh, hoka sponsored but was just wrote the race report of got to Cormier, couldn't eat, didn't finish. I was like that was I think. Well, you sent that to me, right?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was like this is the best like race report ever, short to the point. I actually read it. I'm good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, got right to the point, didn't, didn't cut any corners, didn't you? Right to the point didn't, didn't cut any corners, didn't you know? Just straight to the point, didn't get long-winded and make excuses, and you know I think, uh, after western states.
Speaker 3:I started following her and she posts some funny stuff because she also retweeted or shared utmb's reel where it had matthew mcconaughey. Like before the race, at the start line, it's like getting pumped up and then like when you get to corn my ear and it's just Matthew McConaughey now just like crying yep, that sounds about right.
Speaker 1:That's pretty much what happened to all of my picks, uh. Tom Evans dropped. Jermaine Granger dropped. Mathieu Blanchard dropped the previously mentioned Dmitry.
Speaker 3:Mikhailov Yep, he dropped. Oh, who was it? The guy that won Arulian, that won Hard Rock last year and he's previously finished second place at UTMB, I think in 21.
Speaker 1:Did anyone check on the jacket guy that was up front for the first? No, no.
Speaker 3:Speaking of him. Did you guys notice how well Asia did across all the races? Yeah, the men in UTMB not great, but they had Lin Chen over there on the women's finish, fourth. You know, in the OCC you had three men place top 10. Miao Miao, she won OCC. It's like they're getting better and it's nice seeing all those athletes. Vietnam had a woman that placed fourth overall.
Speaker 1:Ccc is that uh, yeah, yeah, is that her name, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah for occ.
Speaker 3:Yeah. When she beat judith wider, who's just absolute short trail assassin from switzerland, it's like that's incredible it.
Speaker 1:It was Lin Chen. We saw her. She was one of my picks at Western States. Was she the one with the foot issue?
Speaker 2:Yeah, we heard she dropped from a blister. I never saw her.
Speaker 1:I obviously don't know her, but then I saw a video a couple weeks later and they showed her foot and how she made it that far. On that foot she's tough. That was as nasty of a foot as I've ever seen on a human. Pretty impressive result here. Finishing fourth for Lin Chen, another Adidas-sponsored athlete. They had one.
Speaker 3:They had three in.
Speaker 1:UTMB no four yeah, they had four women in the top ten. Adidas Terex did. Didn't fare as well on the men's side, but still pretty good showing again for the.
Speaker 3:I don't think I saw as much of a oh time's up um cross into the super shoes dominating like they did at western states do you think maybe it's less of a factor just being just the more elevation, you know, ascent, descent, kind of thing?
Speaker 1:yeah, it's a lot of hiking, yeah well, vincent did, uh did have a pair of super shoes on that he helped design. He is an engineer for for hoka, which is pretty cool, so I guess in a way he's sponsored by hoka.
Speaker 2:I mean, they do, he works for hoka, I mean it's yeah his paycheck says hoka his paycheck does say hoka, and you know, probably pretty good benefits, for, I mean, I'm sponsored by a nutrition company.
Speaker 1:More than salt you are high up the. Yeah, I have a technology company that supports me, so I appreciate them and assuming katie scheid also had like she surely had some sort of oh my gosh, we haven't even talked about katie, I know. Well, I was. I was kind of saving it for the end because I she is first off incredible, like I it she finally started to have like a little showing of some sort of pain coming down from Laflage year and I was like okay she's at least human.
Speaker 1:Uh, that's good to see. But she absolutely crushed that race and I was, I was sitting there, I was, I was a little bit worried. I was like man did she? Just? She's out there like just going with the dudes like toe to toe, like top, right around the top 10. In the very start she was top 25, just blasting from the start, like what a summer she's had. Uh, I, I, I, you know, you're gonna, obviously she gets, gonna get it compared to courtney um what did she crush courtney's by?
Speaker 2:It was like 20 minutes, right.
Speaker 3:20 minutes, yeah, that's amazing you hear it, aid station Fireball had a awesome tweet. This is the second ever course record that someone has taken from Courtney and Walter.
Speaker 1:Which mind blowing of a statistic there. I guess it'd be a statistic, yeah, fact. But yeah, katie shied. Man of a statistic there. Uh, I guess it'd be a statistic, yeah, fact. But yeah, katie scheid, uh man. It'd be tough for me not to vote for, for, uh, female trail runner of the year she's one of the two most competitive 100 mile races yeah, I mean, I think she's probably a lot for that at this point, but even just obviously two tremendous athletes.
Speaker 1:But her and courtney toe-to-toe. I don't think there's much that separates them, if anything. And no, that's I'd love to see that race?
Speaker 4:yeah, I would it's like a year ago or two years ago you were like, oh courtney every time, but now I don't know he.
Speaker 3:He leveled up. Like Western States, she improved on her performance from last year in even harder conditions this year.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was hot this year. It comes back. What's it eight weeks later after?
Speaker 3:Yeah, and, like I know, courtney did hard rock last year did Western States hard rock and then UTMB. But you look at Courtney Lassner for utmb and, uh, you know, hey, she won it. That's amazing but it was not, I think, as as impressive as katie did. Now, katie didn't have hard rock, but still like going out early, setting a course record, just dominating where it was pretty much just a battle for second between Marian Hogan, ruth Croft.
Speaker 1:Yeah, first place was decided at the start of the race. There was never. It was. Maybe she'll you know something bad will happen. But yeah, she was right from the go, was determined to to beat the course, record Every coach's dream.
Speaker 3:She started out a hundred mile race with a 5k PR Like it was awesome yeah, it's exactly what I think you want.
Speaker 4:It's probably how they drew it up but, but, like watching the race, did you think maybe, if that thing's 10 more miles and ruth croft, ruth croft was closing hard. I mean she might have had one of the best races, really.
Speaker 3:I think she's only about 40 minutes behind.
Speaker 4:Yeah, she was crazy.
Speaker 3:It didn't feel 40 minutes no.
Speaker 1:I was watching the coverage and the pace at which Ruth Croft moved into second place past Marian Hogan was like she was standing still. I mean she just blew by her. Yeah, I mean, katie was definitely. You know she just run UTMB. Of course she was.
Speaker 2:You know there's a lot of talk right now like the changing of the guards between you know, at least Courtney kind of moving to the side. What do you think? You think Katie's going to take it Like if they were head-to-head maybe next year Hopefully we get to see it.
Speaker 3:You're hearing it all over the place Courtney's still winning every race she enters. She's just choosing different races.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I don't think there's a battle that I want to see more in running right now than Katie versus Courtney at a hundred miles.
Speaker 3:I can't even think of two men. I'd want to see racing like those two.
Speaker 1:No, I, I, I really don't. I mean I I'm trying to come up like maybe Jim and Killian at UTMB.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we've seen, I'd love to see that one too, but I yeah but that's the.
Speaker 1:I just don't.
Speaker 3:There's just nothing comparable to katie and courtney right now that's probably the closest, and I would still say courtney and katie is they're. They're just on relative to all the other women out there. It's like they're on a different level right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, at the end of the race it's. I also did not pick Katie to win. I was like, ah, western States, that's going to be tough, it might get a little. Yeah, bad weekend for my picks, great weekend for Katie's side.
Speaker 3:I think Katie was one of the easiest. No, that wasn't an easy pick, because I mean her like Ruth Croft, marianne Hogan, blandine Fujiao, like there were probably like five or six. I was kind of going back and forth but ultimately I was just like nah, katie's too fit. Like I saw an interview with her pre-race where she said she was feeling strong, no issues with Western State. I'm like all right, I'm going this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm like, all right, I'm going this. Yeah, yeah, katie, okay, like I said, that was probably the moment of the race. Her performance was the performance of the weekend. I would say you know a lot of great ones out there. Great, great weekend, week weekish of racing. Our guy I guess we should. Of note, simone Gosselin did not finish TDS but Simone Degg is that how you say his last name. Duguay, duguay did finally finish. Tds got that chip off his shoulder, so shout out to those guys.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Do you guys have any plans or any want to go over and do any of the utmb races, and which one would you guys want to do, rob?
Speaker 2:I know you have some stones, correct utmb stones yeah, I think a few of us are signed up for one of them, right uh, yeah we're.
Speaker 1:We're heading down to grindstone 50k here um Do you plan on entering next year Over in France? What are you?
Speaker 2:going to enter the obvious right. I can't do more than 50K.
Speaker 1:UTMB, yeah the obvious.
Speaker 3:No, you can only step up.
Speaker 1:It'd be CCC at that point yeah, jeremy, do you have any plans to enter?
Speaker 4:I would absolutely love to At this point point it's kind of like fomo. I mean I, I think yeah, I would definitely ccc. Um, maybe, as I get a slightly older and wiser, maybe utb three, four years well, I would definitely pick an occ uh one.
Speaker 3:I wouldn't be dead the next day doing the other two. Then I'd still get to watch UTMB and go be a fan. That for me would be awesome.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Do you plan on?
Speaker 1:entering for next summer.
Speaker 3:I got to go do another UTMB race. I think Maybe I'll.
Speaker 1:You still have the stones from last year's Thunder K. Their rules are weird. If I can enter this year, I think Maybe I'll. You still have stones from last year's ThunderK.
Speaker 3:Their rules are weird. If I can enter this year, I think I might. Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 2:The stones from.
Speaker 4:Grindstone would carry right. Yeah, you get them for two years.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I believe they carry, but then I think you still might have to do a UTMB race every year.
Speaker 1:I think every other year you still have to run one but, we'll all be applying for it. One thing about UTMB is and Rob, you know this that you're going to have to go into the race healthy.
Speaker 2:I do, and that kind of leads us into next week's guest that we have on the show.
Speaker 1:We got a doctor on here. Someone Dr. Next week's guest that we have on the show we got a doctor on here, someone, dr Bonnie, dr Bonnie, dr Bonnie, someone who could set you straight. You know, jeremy, I know you've dealt with injuries. Will you've dealt with yourself for quite a many years? I played rugby for a while. A lot of injuries yeah. Yeah, a lot of injuries that we cover Common running injuries with Dr Bonnie Wilder, so I look forward to that episode coming out. Rob, what do you think?
Speaker 2:Yes, I'm very much looking forward to it. I think everyone on this call right now has had IT band issues at some point, and what drives everyone nuts is you have an IT band issue but really don't know what that means. You just know that my leg hurts. You don't know what it means. So listen to the episode next week. You will find out exactly what the IT band is and why it hurts and what causes it. So it'll be a good episode.
Speaker 1:You also get a good discussion on super shoes and how they may or may not pertain to more injuries. True, very good segment. Thank you to Dr Bonnie Wilder and we look forward to that coming out, but I think this about wraps up our UTMB wrap-up. I don't have anything else. Do you have anything else, rob?
Speaker 2:No, I don't. It's the inaugural event of the uh hobby jogger and friends, I think hobby jogger and friends, hobby jogger and pal.
Speaker 1:We'll go with hobby jogger and friends. Thank you very much to our guests, sometimes co-hosts mr jeremy pope and mr will walmsley. Thank you, guys for joining us and I guess we'll probably do this again in a couple weeks here.