The Hobby Jogger Podcast
E02 | Jenna McHugh Discusses Marathon Majors and Social Influence
We sat down with Jenna McHugh as our guest for Episode 2. Jenna has just completed the Chicago Marathon with a finishing time of three hours and twenty-seven minutes. She's a ten-time finisher at the Boston Marathon and she has a total of 16 world majors under her belt. You can find Jenna spreading the joy of running on Instagram as a running influencer with well over 33,000 followers.
Instagram: @jennammchugh
Facebook: @jennammchugh
We sat down with Jenna McHugh as our guest for Episode 2. Jenna has just completed the Chicago Marathon with a finishing time of three hours and twenty-seven minutes. She's a ten-time finisher at the Boston Marathon and she has a total of 16 world majors under her belt. You can find Jenna spreading the joy of running on Instagram as a running influencer with well over 33,000 followers.
Instagram: @jennammchugh
Facebook: @jennammchugh
Welcome back everyone to podcast episode two. I am Nathan Reyes, back tonight with a new co-host, casey Koza. I'm looking forward to again the opportunity to interact with our guests and our amazing group of rising stars. Thanks again for joining us and all that you do for the team, consistent participation and your content. We just want to recognize that impact that it has. Casey is a welcome addition to the broadcast and brings all kinds of running knowledge and experience to the team, as well as a great sense of humor. He's also got a great taste for barbecue sauce and we can get into that a little bit. Casey, I do want to let you introduce yourself, because this will be your first time on the podcast. Thank you, nathan.
Casey Koza:I appreciate that. I'm Casey, live in Akron, Ohio. I prefer ultra running. I like getting out in the trails and running too far and then seeing how badly I can hurt myself, take myself to the pain. I also am a owner of branch sauce, which is going to be the co-sponsor of this podcast. You can find us at local places and on Amazon as well. I'm not very good at talking about myself. I'm better at talking to you, Nate. I appreciate the introduction.
Nathan Reyes:Absolutely, and I spend a little time on the trail, usually behind Casey and mostly everybody else. Excellent guy, excellent runner. And the reason we're here tonight is obviously we want to introduce Jen McHugh as our guest tonight. She has just completed the Chicago Marathon, with Fishing Time about three hours 27 minutes. This is amazing. She's a ten-time finisher at the Boston Marathon and she has a total of 16 world majors under her belt, so a really braveled, experienced racer. You can find Jenna spreading the joy of running on Instagram as a running influencer with well over 33,000 followers. So, without further ado, let me welcome Jenna to our podcast.
Jenna McHugh:Thank you so much, Nathan. I'm very happy to be here.
Nathan Reyes:Let's start off with a few of the events in your life that led you to the running lifestyle. Briefly, tell us a little bit about that.
Jenna McHugh:Yeah, absolutely so. It was about 11 years ago and one of my best friends and I were planning a girls weekend, planning to go to a retreat, a spa weekend, get massages, do yoga, meditate, relax. And then she threw out the idea well, why don't we run a half marathon instead?
Nathan Reyes:No, I don't like that idea.
Jenna McHugh:Yeah, I was mad. I was like what are you talking about? No, I don't want to run a half marathon. We went from relaxing in a spa in Arizona to all of a sudden not running 13.1 miles. That does not sound like fun. Needless to say, I vented and said okay, this will keep me running through the winter, because it was a fair weather runner. I run some in the spring, some in the fall, and summer was too hot and winter was too cold. So that was it. Well, Shona ran through the winter. Her and I ran the New Orleans Rock and Roll Half Marathon. This is in March of 2012 and I fell in love with running. I said, oh my gosh, I want to continue to do this.
Jenna McHugh:So then, from there, we ran the Disney Marathon and really got hooked on marathons and I've been running about an average of two a year, trying to do more than that just for injury reasons, trying to be preventative in that regard. That's how I got into it.
Nathan Reyes:You mentioned some of the friends Were there, other folks that were involved in your introduction running.
Jenna McHugh:Yeah, as when I started went to a lot of races and my family would come. I have three kids and a husband and my parents would come. My parents went to California and with me when I ran my second marathon out there and then what I found is the more races you do, the less frequently your family and your friends come. So that's a warning if you start to get hooked and addicted to these things, is your family stopped showing up? You just did one of those a couple months ago and we all came and I'll cheer for you for several hours.
Nathan Reyes:We've all found the limit of everyone's support level. Yeah, and I don't blame them.
Jenna McHugh:They're amazingly supportive and with all my runs, but then they're like yeah, you go do your thing, stay home. So and that's really turned into from there a few years later.
Jenna McHugh:I started just posting more about my running journey on Instagram and that's when I realized that there's this huge running community out there and met a lot of amazing, amazing runners and I have a group of girlfriends now. We do a lot of races together and they are some of my very best friends. I talk to them every single day. We might we pop up at races a couple of times a year, but even today I'm like two or three group chats. We've been talking all day. That's awesome.
Nathan Reyes:Were there, races that were influential at the beginning of your running journey, or any of that stand out to you?
Jenna McHugh:Well, I would say the one that was very emotional was the 2014 Boston Marathon. It was the year after the bombing. I was just so honored, shocked, that I qualified when I ran that race and seeing the support of the crowds, seeing so many inspiring runners and you still see this today, there's a lot of guides out there, amputees with blind runners, so many people running for charity it is an emotional race to run and that just captured my heart and I just said I want to run this. Every year I qualify and I'll be honest with you, I didn't think I would qualify, I had no idea, and it's been 10 years straight and 2024, which I'll be running in April. I think the streak will come to an end at this point.
Nathan Reyes:Heaven, your heart behind it's got to give you a little extra. That's impressive. You said you've done 10 already and this will be your 11th and 24th. Oh, actually.
Jenna McHugh:What's pretty cool, too, was obviously we had COVID in there, so 2021, sorry, 2020 was a virtual race, so number 11 will also be number 10 on the course.
Casey Koza:That's pretty sweet. Yeah, the Boston, that's a far goal of mine. I'd like to. One day, maybe when a couple more years, when the time comes down a little bit more towards my speed, I could qualify for it.
Jenna McHugh:It's very worth it. I mean clearly my favorite race because I keep going back every year, but they really make every runner feel very, very special and like an elite and it's really the whole city that rallies around the race. It is incredible. From the moment you step off the airplane and the airport is decorated in blue and gold and people are stopping you saying oh my gosh, you're here for the marathon. How many times have you run? Are you excited? What was your training like? To the expo and just all the festivities going on the weekend. It's like huge fast running festival the entire weekend. No-transcript.
Casey Koza:Now, jen, I online stocked you a little bit here. I went back and looked through some other marathons you had run Back in 2013,. You ran a race called the Nike Women's Marathon. Happens to be where it looks like your PR is correct.
Jenna McHugh:Yes, it is my PR, my Instagram profile. I've thought so many times about taking it down like this is getting really old. It's 10 years old. But the reason why I leave it there is because I think I can beat it, and so I leave it up there as a goal to say, hey, I feel like I can get there. Yes, and that was a very cool race. I don't think they have it anymore. It was in San Francisco, the Women's Nike Marathon, but men could participate as well too. It was really unique for a few reasons very pilly, I guess that's not unique for San Francisco, but it was literally on the hills up and down, and then at the finish line they had firemen dressed in tuxedos that were handing out tipping necklaces to all the women. So very, very cool.
Nathan Reyes:Well, jenna, it's curious as I looked at your history with Boston and why that's so special to you. It brought front and center the friendships that you have with some of the other Instagram influencers that are your friends and they've become, just like you said, a big part of your day-to-day life away from Instagram. And is there anything you can expand on that? Is that a support group that you rely on or have learned from?
Jenna McHugh:Yeah, absolutely. I think what's just amazing about us is the fact that we've come together and become good friends so quickly, and I think it's this common theme of running which is what originally brought us together. And then also we just realized, from a family and approach on life, a value standpoint very, very similar. Again, one of those spaces where I thought social media what is this post-pictures out there? Maybe some people see it and you could truly develop strong friendships. This group of friends is really some of my best friends today, and another cool thing that I always like to share too is as much as we have in common. I think one of my favorite things about this group is we span over four different decades at the same time. We just come together and learn from each other, support each other. It's the most supportive group that I've ever been a part of.
Nathan Reyes:Well, you have your bio on your Instagram handle at Jenna McCube. Could you go through that and tell us where to reach out and find you?
Jenna McHugh:Yeah, absolutely so. Yeah, it's on Instagram. It's Jenna J-E-N-N-A-M and then McHugh M-C-H-U-G-H, so it's my first name with an M in the middle. Then my last name is where I post most often. I also do have a Facebook account, too, where I post some, and that's at Jenna McHugh.
Nathan Reyes:Could you describe what motivates you to share the joy of running? What was that motivation when you started and how has that changed going forward?
Jenna McHugh:Yeah. So I think I've gotten to this point now and ultimately, when I first started, I mean maybe if you go way back, I'd put a picture of my kids, my family, and just trying to figure out what is my goal here and my purpose here. And then it evolved a little bit into connecting. I started posting running pictures and I realized I was connecting with other runners. Then it became a method of connection and learning for me and now it has grown into still learning for me. I'm always learning as a running, as an athlete, and then also trying to help others as well too, through my experience and my journey. I'm not a certified coach, but I've been coached for about eight, nine years. Obviously, I've run a lot of marathon. I ran an ultra marathon so I just have that experience and have learned a whole lot from that and like to share that so I can help others as well too, and I think it's easy to make running look easy, but it's not always easy. So also sharing some of the struggles that I've had and lessons.
Nathan Reyes:Now is there like a responsibility, like if you're called an influencer, do you feel added pressure?
Jenna McHugh:Not necessarily no. I added pressure for being yeah. That word still sometimes like shocks me, but not as much. I mean. I think what is important is that you're a good role model, right and always kind. I think we've all seen some of the bullying and some of the mean comments that happened. So I think, always trying to be positive and a role model and not saying anything or posting anything that you wouldn't be ashamed that your mother and your family would see.
Nathan Reyes:I feel like that's an amazing job that you've done of doing just that, and you have the following that appreciates like that discipline. So I just wanted to recognize that, because it's something that not everyone could do.
Casey Koza:I certainly shouldn't have 33,000 followers because I would not be responsible with that. That's too many people to talk to and or, I guess you know inform. But I heard you mentioned ultra in there. Jenna, do you have any plans to run further distances? Do you have any plans to maybe come over to the trail side?
Jenna McHugh:The ultra marathon I ran was actually a road ultra marathon. What was it? The Dallas marathon back about five, six years ago. It was 32 miles, so not an extreme distance, but definitely longer than a marathon, and I really enjoyed it because you just go at a slower pace, it's more relaxed, laid back, and the trail races that I've done have been absolutely fabulous. I love the spread of food, the community vibe and again it just seems like everything's a little less, a little bit less pressure. So there's competitiveness there, but it just seems a little bit more laid back, which I really enjoy.
Casey Koza:So, yeah, it's a little bit more mullets and partying than the roadsters that are taking a little bit more serious and a little bit more beautiful too, and a lot of weight. Yeah, yeah, way, way more beautiful. You ran trail races in Ohio.
Jenna McHugh:I ran one in Colorado and I ran one in Vermont. So Killington, vermont and then Colorado by Brokett Ridge.
Casey Koza:I certainly didn't pick any ugly places to run some trail races. I did.
Jenna McHugh:Actually Under Armour had a trail race series. I think they have. They no longer have it, but I ran those trail races with them. They had a mountain running series, very cool.
Casey Koza:Nice. I don't remember hearing about that one, but hopefully we see you out in the woods again soon and feel free to join us in any of our expeditions. I know with Nate and David anytime they call me up and say hey, we're doing a race out in Portland, want to go? Yeah, sure, why not? Let's go.
Abby Lock:Yeah you'll have to bring me it.
Casey Koza:Yeah, we'll take you, you're all fine?
Nathan Reyes:You know that brings me to this transition here Wonder if we we could take some time to open it up. Jenna, if you're OK, if anyone else has any questions or comments that you know you'd be willing to take from them. We certainly appreciate the time. There's a lot of value here, but if anyone else wants to get involved, we'd appreciate that as well. Absolutely.
Rob Myers:Is there someone in your life that you've influenced to start running, someone that you thought would never sign up for a race?
Jenna McHugh:Yeah, the first person that comes to mind is someone that I work with. So I have a full time job as the chief HR officer at an advertising and marketing company and so it's actually the last company that I was with. I was head of HR some manufacturing company and the CFO, a gentleman, late 50s, had never run before, didn't really do much fitness and it didn't didn't make fun of me or anything for it, but it was, you know, kind of my gig. And in one of our meetings I was talking about running and I said you know something, anyone can run a marathon If you do the training and you have the heart and the mind you truly want to do it. I said anyone could can run, and he took that on as a challenge.
Jenna McHugh:That was four years ago. He has now and now he runs consistently. He's run a half marathon and beyond that he shared with me. He said I my doctor says I am the healthiest that I've ever been. Biometric numbers are the best that they've ever been. He lost weight and he just says his overall well being is fantastic. He also picked up yoga. So I think that's a story that that's really, really special.
Rob Myers:I don't know more about your nutrition, like when you're you're out in the race. It seems like every, every runner struggles with that. Really, how to dial it in? Did you heavily rely on the aid stations or do you kind of have your recipe?
Jenna McHugh:that works for you? Yeah, so for actual races, yeah, ok, I'm glad you asked me that, because I don't. I don't talk a lot about food because I am not a good foodie. I love to eat, I don't like to cook. I'm not like I'm hungry, I just grow up something like. So I try to make it healthy, but I kind of do the 80 20. Like you know, I have my chocolate every day Anyways, but nutrition while I'm actually racing I do have that dial in.
Jenna McHugh:So before a race depends on the distance, but I pretty much eat the same thing and I know that it works for me. I have a banana with peanut butter. I get the little to go like Jeff peanut butters. You can get the portable ones in a banana and one of those. If it's a marathon, I add on a bagel or half a bagel as well, to about two hours before I race. If it's a five K, I'll just do like a banana and half the peanut butter. So I kind of measure it based upon, based upon the distance, and I always do that about two hours before.
Jenna McHugh:I'm also sipping on usually electrolytes and a little bit of like an amino caffeine drink. I don't do coffee. I wish I did. I don't. So I do like an amino caffeine drink and then right before the race, if it is a half marathon or a marathon, a lot of times I'll do a martin gel, so that is my favorite fuel.
Jenna McHugh:My favorite prior to this was Schuma gels. That's another good one too. It's basically like pureed fruit. I recently switched to Martin and I switched this year. I tried at the Boston marathon and I absolutely loved it because you don't have to take it with water. So that is why I also take when I'm running anything like a half marathon or a marathon. I'll take about three of those for a half marathon and six for a full marathon.
Jenna McHugh:I have caffeinated and non-caffeinated. I'll split it, you know, half and half. To me it's a huge benefit. So if you're taking most other gels, you have to time it where you take it down right before a water station, so then you can then wash it down with water, and we all know sometimes that's hard. It's spilling everywhere. Then you don't get a lot in your mouth and you also a lot of times don't know when the water stations are coming right. Even if you've looked at the course and looked at the map, it's like it's supposed to be between mile one and two, so it's just a lot right. So the martins go down without any water, the regular actually tastes good too.
Jenna McHugh:The caffeinated has a little bit of a taste, but it's not too bad. And then try to get protein right after a long run or a race. But then I also do electrolytes too. I usually do whatever's on the course. Fortunately I don't have trouble with that, but I try to find out what it is. So if it's like Gatorade and I'll alternate between water and Gatorade, water and Gatorade, water and Gatorade, but I drink it every single eight station I try to miss once at the beginning. You're not going to be thirsty, but it's what you take, the beginning, that will help last in the end.
Abby Lock:I have a question about, kind of in the realm of content creation, what strategies do you employ the most? Do you enjoy, whether that be like the medium on Instagram, like if you like reels or posts or like yeah, what have you found really, is you know, successful for your account and your approach in your audience?
Jenna McHugh:I personally like the reels. I just like them. I think they're fun. I like the videos. They take a long time. I will admit. I feel like the days when they were just static pictures were the easy days. I feel like, oh, things are so much easier back then when they really weren't.
Jenna McHugh:But even to put together like a 20 second reel, I mean I'll spend hours and hours on it. It doesn't look like it. But for me it's that philosophy of usually when somebody tries to make it look easy, it's usually a lot of hard work put behind it. But I enjoy the creative process. Like that's my outlet, that's just my. I enjoy it. So I don't mind spending a couple of hours creating 15 seconds of content. But that's just me. Personally, I mean I love looking at the posts and the reels and all of it. I think it's good to mix it up. But, yeah, I mean it's interesting that this evolution of Instagram right, because it's now like what the reels it's like you need to not just be a photographer, you need to be a videographer, you need to be an editor, you need to be able to write something you know and it's starting to just take on life of its own.
Jenna McHugh:It comes to different talents. So Instagram is always keeping us on our toes. But you know, like anything, you know there was a lot of complaints when the reels came out right. I was the old Instagram. You'd see people say that it's like the world changes. Business changes. You know, either adapt, but don't complain. You know. Yeah, that's so true. Moving something else. Yeah, yeah, that's so true, though, you can still post two stories. I mean, I mean still post like static pictures. That's great too. A lot of people do that.
David Moore:To follow on that. Jenna, you know I know a lot of our audience. You know they're building audiences of their own and very impressive what you've done, getting to 33,000 and finding that success. What have you found now? You know, at that level, I imagine you're at a point where a lot of brands come knocking on your door and saying, hey, we want to collaborate with you, we've used included. So can you tell us a little bit like where did that start? Or how do you, you know, talk to brands and navigate that? And you know, I'm sure that you're is they do reach out. You want them to be folks that you believe in and be products that you want to use and stand behind and endorse, that you use in your own running and your own life.
Jenna McHugh:Yeah, I think that's. It's a great question, david, and I think with when it comes to social media, you have to stand back and say what is my purpose here and if you want to get into influencing, you have to treat your account like a business account. You have to treat it like a business. That really means coming up at the beginning with you know what is my vision and what is my mission here and how much time am I going to invest in my business? Right, and I would say when I first started posting 2015, 2016, I spent a lot of time growing you know, growing my account. And what does a lot of time mean? That means every day, I would set aside at least an hour or two to either post, respond to comments, to like and comment other people's posts and to really engage a lot with my audience. But you know, if you're looking to grow, you're going to have to invest the time upfront to do that. I think you know.
Jenna McHugh:For me, really, I decided that my purpose is to really try to spread that joy of running and to try to help share what I've learned through my running journey, and so I always, with my posts, try to keep my audience in mind, like what would they like to hear, what would be helpful for them. And I know, of course I post the pictures with my shiny medals. But, you know, just doing that isn't I don't know, maybe a little inspiring for a second but doesn't really help people out, right. So I try to go a little bit more of the education route then also share about me as well too. So you know, you can see that I'm a human and a real person as well. But you really have to kind of get in that mindset of this is a business and I'm treating it like a business Personally for me, since I do have a full-time job, that I am really selective on kind of the partnerships and I tend to be more reactive than proactive. So that's another thing that, if you really want to grow with influencing, I recommend creating a media kit, which, if you like Google, if you were to go on Etsy, you can get templates for media kits, but it's usually a series of like your pictures, what you put out there on social media, a bio about you. If you want to put some statistics about your actual account, I also recommend converting your Instagram account to a business account. You can do that it's free. Just take it, you know, to a business account, so they're pretty simple and needs to be a couple of pages, but I recommend that and also being proactive and reaching out to some of your favorite brands.
Jenna McHugh:Some of my favorite partnerships have been I've been very intentional, so one I'll give you an example was the New York Marathon in 2019, me and one of my other best friends, heather Jensen. She's try and run girl. On social media. I heard her both like we want to run the New York City Marathon. So what did we do? We sent direct messages to every single one of the sponsors. We went to the New York City Marathon sponsor page and we DM'd all of them and, sure enough, I got a response back from a couple and one ended up landing.
Jenna McHugh:It was from Bedgear, which is a mattress company. They were the premier sponsors of the New York City Marathon and so they sponsored Heather and I. We got bibs. We actually both got new king size beds and sheets. They are amazing. Like I actually went out and then purchased more of their bedding because I loved it so much. But we had like the VIP tent treatment At the finish line. We had a VIP bus to the start kind of all these extra perks too. So that is what I do recommend is be proactive if you really want to grow this from like a business standpoint.
David Moore:Great information and I love the story on that in the streets of the New York City.
Casey Koza:My ticket into some of these lottery races. Gotta get a hold of the sponsors, yeah.
Jenna McHugh:I've tried like London, I'm like gosh. None of these. Most of them are all brands in Europe. There's not a whole lot of US brands.
David Moore:Has to be somebody that wants to expand internationally US markets right.
Jenna McHugh:Yeah yeah yeah.
Jenna McHugh:So I guess they're gonna start working on that one. I will say too and I would, I believe this for most, like most influencers, a lot of my friends too is only I only partner with brands I do truly believe in. It is very, very hard to promote a product that you don't truly stand behind. There may be some people that are really good at it, but there's not anything that I can think of that. I was out there like this is horrible, and I'm seeing they're saying, oh, this is great, go buy it.
Nathan Reyes:I have a question. You travel a ton for your races.
Jenna McHugh:Do you have?
David Moore:any tips for traveling?
Jenna McHugh:and keeping things organized and getting enough sleep and that kind of stuff. You know. I would say number one is, if you're doing a race, pack your race shoes, your watch, your race outfit in your carry on, like never let that leave your leave your site, Like just keep it with you. Anything is even your fuel, really anything that you need race day. That's essential. Keep it in your carry on, in your backpack or way I always usually wear my shoes, or shoes I could race in. So that number one. Number two if you can get to your destination a few days early, that will really help, especially if there's a time zone change. Usually the day before is like the expo. It's kind of rush. Rush is saying hi to people, expo, you got the nerves going and you're not going to sleep that great. But if you can get there a couple of days early, start to get acclimated at the time, go to the expo early, come back to your hotel, rest, relax, it's just going to probably make for a much less anxiety filled race.
Jenna McHugh:I know when I did Berlin, I absolutely am so happy I did this, Obviously five hours ahead I ended up going over a whole week early. I did up, I spent a lot of that time with my good friend, Claire. She's Claire, runs there on Instagram but went over a week early. We spent some time in Austria first and then went over to Germany, but it really helped acclimate for the time. I was fortunate I got a job where I work remote, so they would actually work remote from over there for a few days, didn't have to take off all that vacation time. That was a question too. Yeah, so I was able to work four days remote and so it was wonderful. So woke up in the morning and I explored Austria, did some tours and then I logged on about 1pm and then I did work until about 10pm or so. That was nice, I was able to do that.
David Moore:I guess we're. You know we use a gear and race reviews website. I feel like we probably should ask about gear. We know you like Nike vapor flies. It's been a ratio of choice, so there are other race shoes. Has that been your choice and you've run 20 plus marathons? Have you always been Nikes? And then on your training runs, do you go through a rotation? For your long runs, your speed work, your race shoes?
Jenna McHugh:I have been a Nike runner for a long time. I have a narrow foot and they just have seemed to fit my foot the best. Sometimes I have trouble with it just because of all the media. I'm not anti Nike, but just all the media surrounding, I think, what they used to have in terms of the way they treated their female athletes, with lack of maternity leaves and things like that. So sometimes I struggled kind of morally with always wearing Nike, but they just fit my foot the best and I can't be running.
Jenna McHugh:I got a running shoe that fits me, and I'm kind of a newbie to the vapor fly. Actually, I feel like I'm late to the game. I've only been using those about a year and I just they're so light. They are my favorite. They're very light, they're bouncy. I just I really, really like those for racing, but I only use those for racing. I will share that.
Jenna McHugh:I recently switched, though, from Nike for training to a unsuspected brand. It's called One Mix, and I think it's one of the largest running shoe brands in China, and so I'll share what happened. So they actually sent me a pair of their shoes a little less than a year ago, and they kind of sat for a bit. I tried them and I'm like, wow, I really like these. I ended up doing almost all of my Chicago marathon training in them and I love them.
Jenna McHugh:They are very, very cushiony. They are very comfortable. They're kind of they're a little bit big so I wouldn't wear them for a race. But I reached out to them and said, hey, would you mind sending me another pair? And so I've tagged them in a couple of my posts, but they're my new favorite training show. They're very affordable too. I think the shoe I'm wearing is like 60 or 70 dollars. Some of the elite athletes, I think in Asia, are sponsored by them and they wear them for the major marathons. So they are out there. They're just not as popular in the US, but I love them. So that's my training shoe One Mix, and then now Nike Vapor Flies might race too.
David Moore:Excellent, thank you.
Jenna McHugh:You're welcome. And of course I love the Garmin watch, and then I use J-Bird earbuds, so I love those.
Abby Lock:I assume you didn't wear the Vapor Flies for your trail races?
Jenna McHugh:I didn't. I got actually a Warhoka Nice. Well, I wore Under Armour I take that back and they were Under Armour shoes because it's Under Armour races. But I do have some Hoka trail shoes too that I like.
Casey Koza:Like to hear that that's good. So help me get into one of these races. If we drop that, maybe yeah.
Nathan Reyes:Well, I just want to say, as a community of runners that understands the grit unless that hide behind that, there's always grit involved in any type of race, whether you're on the road or on the trail being able to bring some happiness and light, some glamour to that the other side, which is why we do it. The community Really appreciate getting to know you and your positivity, energy and some of the positive ways you've been able to influence people. So I do want to recognize that and thank you for taking the time With that. Episode two was success, jenna.
Jenna McHugh:Thank you so much. This was wonderful, so nice meeting everyone. Thanks for the good work.
Casey Koza:It was well, Jenna. Thank you very much.
Jenna McHugh:Thank you.